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WARNING: I'm gonna be a dick here, cuz this is kind of frustrating.Why does everybody want to try to change and try to optimize the original plan before they ever even give the basic plan a full and legitimate chance, as it is written??Read the book. Follow the book. Assess progress after a month. Asses progress after two months. If you stall, THEN begin looking into MINOR tweaks-- one tweak at a time to find what the variable is that works for you. Make the tweak, circle back to assessing. [/rant]
I totally agree, but it can be hard around the forums when half the people will jump on your right away telling you that you have to make everyone of these tweaks because someone asked for possible advice.Really, for 2-3 month it should be nearly straight by the book (A couple of needed changes, ie saturated fat's health) and tweaks should come when stalled.
I totally agree, but it can be hard around the forums when have the people will jump on your right away telling you that you have to make everyone of these tweaks because someone asked for possible advice.Really, for 2-3 month it should be nearly straight by the book (A couple of needed changes, ie saturated fat's health) and tweaks should come when stalled.
+1000 to both you guys. While this isn't nearly the problem as it used to be, I feel so sorry for the new people who come on here and all of a sudden they have people throwing tweaks, or worse, modifications, in their face.Follow the book verbatim and make adjustments after a few months.
I am soooo confused with where my body is at right now. I think I've messed it up with thinking that I was eating high GI food for my Carb Nite but it was apparently low GI, and I think I've kicked myself out of ketosis. Planned to do the 'induction phase' again and see how long my glycogen depletes but after reading "CN no less than 5 days and no longer than 14 days" I got a bit worried; and if I was to do CN whenever I'm 'stalled', I don't even know when my body is stalled or know how long its been stalling for to realize its stalled...I workout 5 to 6 days a week (including weights but 'light' with high reps) so i'm not sure what exactly I should do.. especially being a female :< perhaps planning on doing ULC for 20 days was an overkill? lol
Girl, I don't think you can really screw up a carb nite. You can be as far away from optimal as it gets, and I don't think you can screw it up. It might not have been as beneficial as you would have liked, because of those low glycemic carbs you ingested, but I don't think it calls for another prep phase! The wonderful thing about carb nite is that it is so forgiving to the screw-ups we all end up doing, especially in the beginning. Just keep at it, and keep at a steady pace for awhile (2-3 months) without worrying about the little stuff. Later you can tweak it if you feel you need to. If you are confused at where your body is right now, thats the best bet for finding out.Wow, I take too long to type up replies... Everyone jumped on this!
The book is eight years old. Tons of piecemeal updates by Kiefer himself and Patel indicate that there is room for refinement. In an environment where one size has been proven not to fit all, these types of discussions are useful for people who don't all start out with the same body type.We are all big boys and girls and know to read the book, the message boards allow us to go beyond it.
Kiefer has mentioned several times the he will be releasing a book that has more information specifically for women and that his protocols, though not specifically for men, do need some modifications for most women. Listening to many of the podcasts he has been on has been extremely helpful for myself and my wife. I've taken this quest for healthy living as a journey with an ever winding road of knowledge ahead of me. Kiefer and Dr. Patel and many on this forum are awesome knowledge leaders.
The book is eight years old. Tons of piecemeal updates by Kiefer himself and Patel indicate that there is room for refinement. In an environment where one size has been proven not to fit all, these types of discussions are useful for people who don't all start out with the same body type.We are all big boys and girls and know to read the book, the message boards allow us to go beyond it.
Of course you can modify it, but you are better off following the book at first before you start modifying it. And really to be honest with you, very little has actually changed since the books were released. Most of the information we have been getting over the past few years are tweaks, not actual changes.
I am soooo confused with where my body is at right now. I think I've messed it up with thinking that I was eating high GI food for my Carb Nite but it was apparently low GI, and I think I've kicked myself out of ketosis. Planned to do the 'induction phase' again and see how long my glycogen depletes but after reading "CN no less than 5 days and no longer than 14 days" I got a bit worried; and if I was to do CN whenever I'm 'stalled', I don't even know when my body is stalled or know how long its been stalling for to realize its stalled...I workout 5 to 6 days a week (including weights but 'light' with high reps) so i'm not sure what exactly I should do.. especially being a female :< perhaps planning on doing ULC for 20 days was an overkill? lol
Girl, I don't think you can really screw up a carb nite. You can be as far away from optimal as it gets, and I don't think you can screw it up. It might not have been as beneficial as you would have liked, because of those low glycemic carbs you ingested, but I don't think it calls for another prep phase! The wonderful thing about carb nite is that it is so forgiving to the screw-ups we all end up doing, especially in the beginning. Just keep at it, and keep at a steady pace for awhile (2-3 months) without worrying about the little stuff. Later you can tweak it if you feel you need to. If you are confused at where your body is right now, thats the best bet for finding out.Wow, I take too long to type up replies... Everyone jumped on this!
;D Thanks much for your input! Glad to know I 'haven't' screwed it up. Doing another induction phase isn't too bad though, its almost the same thing every week except that I don't carb up after 5 or 6 days but 10 lolI just wanna through it out there that I REALLY REALLY LOVE NUTELLA!!!!!!!!!!!! ...but I don't think that's a good enough reason to keep it in my diet..For the most part I think I'm eating the wrong carb nite foods :/
The book is eight years old. Tons of piecemeal updates by Kiefer himself and Patel indicate that there is room for refinement. In an environment where one size has been proven not to fit all, these types of discussions are useful for people who don't all start out with the same body type.We are all big boys and girls and know to read the book, the message boards allow us to go beyond it.
Of course you can modify it, but you are better off following the book at first before you start modifying it. And really to be honest with you, very little has actually changed since the books were released. Most of the information we have been getting over the past few years are tweaks, not actual changes.
Precisely.And even though the book is eight years old, it still works.
Man, I can honestly say I love this thread.I've been doing carb nite for about a year. For a time I'd put my carb nites closer together (3-5 days), then I'd pull back a bit by doing a carb nite every week (7 days).I haven't lost body fat doing this, but people who knew me a year ago told me that I look so much bigger. They think I look fatter but at the same time they knew I was going to the gym. I've been wearing the same belt size for the entire year. If they saw my numbers in the gym, they'd be impressed with the amount of weights I can lift opposed to how much I was lifting a year ago. I was 245lbs since I was on carb nite, now I'm at 275lbs. At the end of my carb nite I'd be 10lbs heavier.. two days later I'd be back to normal weight. But take a look at the numbers:A year ago, I was playing around with 180-215lb squats. Now I'm playing around with 380-400lb squats. For deadlifts, i was playing around with 150-180lbs.. now I'm pulling 385-415lbs. For dumbell presses, I was pushing 40lbs (I thought these were heavy).. now I'm pushing 95lb dumbells for 3 sets of 10 -- this is the highest at my gym. Wide grip bench presses, 410lbs. I've been getting looks from the trainers over there, in awe over how fast I was making these gains. Some people asked if I was on steroids.. and even begged me to give them some.. which kind of offended me.I've been lifting for 3 years prior to this, but never in my life have I ever made gains so easily as I did in the last year. I've been focused on my core for the longest time, so I going into this protocol my core was already stabilized and ready to go. But my gut has been the biggest problem, still is.I always felt though that if I made my carbnites longer, that I'd be more focused on losing weight than doing any gains at the gym. I thought about it, but never really did it. So this month, there will be no carb nite, my next carb nite will be in December 1st (or until my weight loss plateaus).
Very interested in learning the results of your self experiment! Let us know. Keep up the good work.
I am going to carefully monitor weight and body fat loss and wait for a plateau before the next carb night. On the first three weeks of Carb Night I went from 257 to 244, but have only lost three pounds in the last four weeks, essentially regaining and relosing the same few pounds after each carb night. Since I do not exercise there is no reason to conclude I am recomping, but rather only losing fat at roughly a half pound a week.Since those results are inferior for me to a sustained pace of low carb I will not have a Carb Night until I see fat loss slow. I am quite certain that my body fat % of 40+ will prefer this, and when I stall, that's when I'll resume the carb loading.I will report progress
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