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So I was thinking about the differences between Carb Night and traditional ultra low carb diets. When I did low carb back in the day, I followed the standard pattern of tremendous fat loss interrupted by terrible stalls. I appreciate that Carb Night has an answer for this.The question I have though is that the stall didnt occur until roughly 8-10 weeks into the diet, which means that I was able to go quite a while before the fat burning hormones down regulated. With this in mind, why wouldn't I wait until I stall before hammering 500 carbs in one night? Why wouldn't I skip a few carb nights in favor of sparing a violent blast of insulin? If 7 days is the max that a body can sustain this great burn, why do standand low carb diets work so well for so long before the stall kicks in?
It depends on how obese a person is when starting.Honestly, I disagree with Keifer that 7-10 days is the longest someone should go.I think morbidly people obese people should maybe go once a month, or every 3 weeks. And then it would work down from there.Simply because the more obese you are the more leptin resistant you are and it wont down regulate so quickly versus a leaner population, or a more active population.
I was hoping someone would say its tied to initial body fat percentage. I mean sitting at 48% fat, all these carb nights are doing is interrupting what feels like monster progress.We seem to have come to the conclusion that once you really get things lower, a carb night every six, five, or even four days is possible. Its odd that we are resistant to extropolating that effect in the other direction
really depends on the person.. i personally do fine with long stretches of ULC others may not.. if you went extended periods of LC ie a month or so i'd say low carb(around 75-100g of carbs a day) is probably easier(possibly more healthy) for most to keep up than ULC
really depends on the person.. i personally do fine with long stretches of ULC others may not.. if you went extended periods of LC ie a month or so i'd say low carb(around 75-100g of carbs a day) is probably easier(possibly more healthy) for most to keep up than ULC
That's an important point. Most low carb diets allow for more carbs than CNS. I think that is an important distinction to make.
It depends on how obese a person is when starting.Honestly, I disagree with Keifer that 7-10 days is the longest someone should go.I think morbidly people obese people should maybe go once a month, or every 3 weeks. And then it would work down from there.Simply because the more obese you are the more leptin resistant you are and it wont down regulate so quickly versus a leaner population, or a more active population.
Rocky Patel said in one of the podcast that he has a lot of his patients go 14 days low carb instead of 7. However, it's important to realize that Carb Nite (or any low carbs diet) is not an easy diet to stick to for most people. So the Carb Nite additionally serves as a "reward" or cheat day. I remember Dr. Patel mentioned this. He said when people talk about using diets as medical treatments, they forget how important compliance is. Most people don't have a passion for fitness and health, so going on a diet, especially a ketogenic diet, is a very arduous experience.
really depends on the person.. i personally do fine with long stretches of ULC others may not.. if you went extended periods of LC ie a month or so i'd say low carb(around 75-100g of carbs a day) is probably easier(possibly more healthy) for most to keep up than ULC
That's an important point. Most low carb diets allow for more carbs than CNS. I think that is an important distinction to make.
It depends on how obese a person is when starting.Honestly, I disagree with Keifer that 7-10 days is the longest someone should go.I think morbidly people obese people should maybe go once a month, or every 3 weeks. And then it would work down from there.Simply because the more obese you are the more leptin resistant you are and it wont down regulate so quickly versus a leaner population, or a more active population.
Rocky Patel said in one of the podcast that he has a lot of his patients go 14 days low carb instead of 7. However, it's important to realize that Carb Nite (or any low carbs diet) is not an easy diet to stick to for most people. So the Carb Nite additionally serves as a "reward" or cheat day. I remember Dr. Patel mentioned this. He said when people talk about using diets as medical treatments, they forget how important compliance is. Most people don't have a passion for fitness and health, so going on a diet, especially a ketogenic diet, is a very arduous experience.
That is true, and if they can't go the 3 weeks without carbs it's obviously better to have them do a carb nite then just give up. But I have found with about half the people I've talked to when you get them to under stand they can eat eggs, bacon, red meat, butter, heavy cream and cheese and it wont kill them, it can be easier for the first couple of months.
I've heard Kiefer and Dr. Patel are working together for a nutrition protocol with an emphasis on pure health. A couple of the podcasts they've done together they mentioned the variability of when, how much and how often to cycle carbs for simply great health and a long life as disease free as possible.
really depends on the person.. i personally do fine with long stretches of ULC others may not.. if you went extended periods of LC ie a month or so i'd say low carb(around 75-100g of carbs a day) is probably easier(possibly more healthy) for most to keep up than ULC
That's an important point. Most low carb diets allow for more carbs than CNS. I think that is an important distinction to make.
It depends on how obese a person is when starting.Honestly, I disagree with Keifer that 7-10 days is the longest someone should go.I think morbidly people obese people should maybe go once a month, or every 3 weeks. And then it would work down from there.Simply because the more obese you are the more leptin resistant you are and it wont down regulate so quickly versus a leaner population, or a more active population.
Rocky Patel said in one of the podcast that he has a lot of his patients go 14 days low carb instead of 7. However, it's important to realize that Carb Nite (or any low carbs diet) is not an easy diet to stick to for most people. So the Carb Nite additionally serves as a "reward" or cheat day. I remember Dr. Patel mentioned this. He said when people talk about using diets as medical treatments, they forget how important compliance is. Most people don't have a passion for fitness and health, so going on a diet, especially a ketogenic diet, is a very arduous experience.
That is true, and if they can't go the 3 weeks without carbs it's obviously better to have them do a carb nite then just give up. But I have found with about half the people I've talked to when you get them to under stand they can eat eggs, bacon, red meat, butter, heavy cream and cheese and it wont kill them, it can be easier for the first couple of months.
True but many people, women in particular, actually have aversions to those foods. Also a lot of people want to be able to easily get quick meals on the go and don't want to prepare or pack meals. You are going to be doing that on a low carb diet. You always can't go to the steakhouse and get a steak and salad.
Glad to see this thread. Right now I'm doing a CN every 7 days, but I'd happily go much longer. I've pretty much gotten used to not eating carbs over the past several months. So I think, since I do have quite a bit of weight to lose (would like to lose about 70-80 more pounds), I may try stretching it out to 10 days or 14 days to start with and see what happens.
Kiefer has said several different times the hormonal effect we are looking for by doing CN has pretty much petered out by the 5th or 6th day after CN. Therefore the recommendation of a CN every 7 days with a minimum of 5 days. It might be interesting to try a mini CN (2 hour carb meal) every other week versus a full up (6-8 hours) every week.
I've been doing CBL for over a year now and every 3 weeks I have been going ULC for 10 days for about the last 4 months. I have found that I stop losing any appreciable weight after day 7 or 8. So maybe playing with it is the best way. Don't do a CN on a schedule, rather do it when you stall.RB
I've been doing CBL for over a year now and every 3 weeks I have been going ULC for 10 days for about the last 4 months. I have found that I stop losing any appreciable weight after day 7 or 8. So maybe playing with it is the best way. Don't do a CN on a schedule, rather do it when you stall.RB
i like that idea as people that are extremely overweight imho would be better off with longer periods of ULC rather than people with only a couple pounds to lose..
I've been doing CBL for over a year now and every 3 weeks I have been going ULC for 10 days for about the last 4 months. I have found that I stop losing any appreciable weight after day 7 or 8. So maybe playing with it is the best way. Don't do a CN on a schedule, rather do it when you stall.RB
i like that idea as people that are extremely overweight imho would be better off with longer periods of ULC rather than people with only a couple pounds to lose..
I don't have any insight but I would guess that is something Dr. Patel asks his obese and/or diabetic patients to do. On one of the podcasts, Kiefer mentioned something about CN no less than 5 days and no longer than 14 days and Dr. Patel jumped in and said he was working with different time frames than that for his patients.
I've been doing CBL for over a year now and every 3 weeks I have been going ULC for 10 days for about the last 4 months. I have found that I stop losing any appreciable weight after day 7 or 8. So maybe playing with it is the best way. Don't do a CN on a schedule, rather do it when you stall.RB
i like that idea as people that are extremely overweight imho would be better off with longer periods of ULC rather than people with only a couple pounds to lose..
I don't have any insight but I would guess that is something Dr. Patel asks his obese and/or diabetic patients to do. On one of the podcasts, Kiefer mentioned something about CN no less than 5 days and no longer than 14 days and Dr. Patel jumped in and said he was working with different time frames than that for his patients.
I am soooo confused with where my body is at right now. I think I've messed it up with thinking that I was eating high GI food for my Carb Nite but it was apparently low GI, and I think I've kicked myself out of ketosis. Planned to do the 'induction phase' again and see how long my glycogen depletes but after reading "CN no less than 5 days and no longer than 14 days" I got a bit worried; and if I was to do CN whenever I'm 'stalled', I don't even know when my body is stalled or know how long its been stalling for to realize its stalled...I workout 5 to 6 days a week (including weights but 'light' with high reps) so i'm not sure what exactly I should do.. especially being a female :< perhaps planning on doing ULC for 20 days was an overkill? lol
My suggestion is to follow the protocol as prescribed in the book. Don't be confused by all the personal tweaks folks use who have been doing it for months/years. After a few weeks/months you will learn your body much better and then maybe add a tweak once in a while and see if it works for you.I had to remember myself that it took me years to get fat, I won't get lean in days.
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