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So CB says clearly skip breakfast because of insulin sensitivity… But for how long?Keifer did a intermittent fasting post( actually 3 of them) where he sites reasons it is not good for you to fast. Esp longer than 14 hrs. He mentioned getting poor results on the fastSo which is right?I east dinner around 7 done for night at 8 don't eat any more. Go to bead about 11. So at 8 am I am 12 hrs fasted. So do I just wait and eat at 10? Do I wait and eat at 12 noon? Do I go to 12 but have a whey protein isolate and mct oil shake?Which is right... Btw I am 42 yo female w hypothyroid I'm treating so I'm a little nervous re IF... Though I have been doing it lately till noon. Also sounds like eggs are not a good am food due to insulinemic reaction... Can you guys confirm this is true... No eggs for breakfast? Not even 2?
+1Esp with the amount of anaerobic activity you have too. I was only doing coffee/hwc for awhile but my activity level increased at my job. I had to start eating breakfast/more calories/fat.
Ok Thanks… But not fasting at all? End of dinner to 8am… That is the 12 hours… Just out of curiosity what does cbl mean when it says don't eat breakfast? When does it assume you are supposed to eat ideally? By the 12 hour definition, no one would skip breakfast. If you add 3 hours for post meal digestion though then I guess it pushes that over to 11am. When do you guys first eat?
Don't eat carbs at breakfast is pretty much what you're trying to do, having a nice ULC fatty protein breakfast or morning meal is quite okay.
Ok Thanks... But not fasting at all? End of dinner to 8am... That is the 12 hours... Just out of curiosity what does cbl mean when it says don't eat breakfast? When does it assume you are supposed to eat ideally? By the 12 hour definition, no one would skip breakfast. If you add 3 hours for post meal digestion though then I guess it pushes that over to 11am. When do you guys first eat?
Don't worry about fasting at all. But a lot of us eat till bed, so say 11pm, then get up @7, that 8 hours, add 4 more hours it would be 11.But fasting wont make or break anything, just skipping carbs during the morning is the most important part.
I guys. Thanks for the explanations and timelines!!! Very helpful. I hear you re low carb and hypothyroid. Seems like I'm doing ok w it though w a few tweaks. The fat in th am is really helping. I've also been using sea salt (Hawaiian and Aztec.. 1 teaspoon) as a supplement in the AM. It seems like it really helps w the adrenals and I have a ton more energy than before. The adrenals are frequent implicated and sometimes cause hypothyroid to begin with so this shift has made a big difference. I do test often though and so far my numbers have been moving in right direction. I supplement also...but am retesting here in a few weeks so hopefully will get a good picture re how this is affecting thyroid w cb and carb nite. Btw. Do any other women hang out here often... Seems like the women's sections don't get posted to often... Seems like women might react a bit differently hormonally to all of this. Thanks!
I guys. Thanks for the explanations and timelines!!! Very helpful. I hear you re low carb and hypothyroid. Seems like I'm doing ok w it though w a few tweaks. The fat in th am is really helping. I've also been using sea salt (Hawaiian and Aztec.. 1 teaspoon) as a supplement in the AM. It seems like it really helps w the adrenals and I have a ton more energy than before. The adrenals are frequent implicated and sometimes cause hypothyroid to begin with so this shift has made a big difference. I do test often though and so far my numbers have been moving in right direction. I supplement also...but am retesting here in a few weeks so hopefully will get a good picture re how this is affecting thyroid w cb and carb nite. Btw. Do any other women hang out here often... Seems like the women's sections don't get posted to often... Seems like women might react a bit differently hormonally to all of this. Thanks!
Fatigued adrenals is a by product of under active thyroid. Your adrenals need to work harder when thyroid isnt doing its job of regulating energy metabolism. This stressed metabolism (i.e breakdown of fats for fuel) requires more adrenal hormones. Salt (sodium) reduces the stress hormones. Adrenal fatigue is secondary to thyroid disregulation.I would personally not use a low carb approach with thyroid issues. Men do have a tad more resilience to diet induced stress than women which is why you can often see a lot of "success" stories with fasting from guys. Long term its not good for anyone though and neither is low carb.
I guys. Thanks for the explanations and timelines!!! Very helpful. I hear you re low carb and hypothyroid. Seems like I'm doing ok w it though w a few tweaks. The fat in th am is really helping. I've also been using sea salt (Hawaiian and Aztec.. 1 teaspoon) as a supplement in the AM. It seems like it really helps w the adrenals and I have a ton more energy than before. The adrenals are frequent implicated and sometimes cause hypothyroid to begin with so this shift has made a big difference. I do test often though and so far my numbers have been moving in right direction. I supplement also...but am retesting here in a few weeks so hopefully will get a good picture re how this is affecting thyroid w cb and carb nite. Btw. Do any other women hang out here often... Seems like the women's sections don't get posted to often... Seems like women might react a bit differently hormonally to all of this. Thanks!
I browse this forum frequently, and it just seems the forum is male dominated, for reasons I could speculate endlessly. I would just take what you can from the men (and perhaps some women) on this forum and cross reference it with other forums that are more female dominated. I'm currently a member of the Get Glutes forum (it requires you to pay to subscribe), and it's 99% female. Highly recommend. Many of the women tinker with carb cycling in some form, many on CBL. You don't hear a lot of IF, super low carb, or much "extreme" measures on that forum. If you mention Carb Nite, the women on there will come in packs to warn you against it. It seems women just have a harder time being so restrictive. So, just be CAREFUL. Regardless, if you're already hypothyroid, do not IF or go low carb. You need to focus on thyroid first.
Thanks for all the feedback and info… Thanks too to the women who chimed in.. Very helpful perspective. I have bloodwork being done in 2 weeks. So far w the addition of salt suplementation I've been feeling great. Have had a ton if energy. So will see how it goes. Will ck out that other forum too. Thanks for the warning. So re adrenals I had heard also that slow adrenals could actually slow down the thyroid... I thought it was adrenals that suppress thyroid not vice versa. Would love any pointers to more info. Thanks!!
Thanks for all the feedback and info... Thanks too to the women who chimed in.. Very helpful perspective. I have bloodwork being done in 2 weeks. So far w the addition of salt suplementation I've been feeling great. Have had a ton if energy. So will see how it goes. Will ck out that other forum too. Thanks for the warning. So re adrenals I had heard also that slow adrenals could actually slow down the thyroid... I thought it was adrenals that suppress thyroid not vice versa. Would love any pointers to more info. Thanks!!
Nope. Adrenals have to work over-time to produce the stress hormones that make energy available in a "crisis". With adequate energy intake and working thyroid the adrenals don't have so much demand placed on them. So stress, bad diet (wrong foods, wrong amounts) or pure deprivation will push you more towards a stress hormone based metabolism. Have you had any bloodwork done on cholesterol?
Yes. My cholesterol has always been low. No one is ever concerned. Good HDL very low triglicerides. But I know cholesterol is the base of all hormones. I don't avoid it. I follow a clean paleo based diet though I do have some high fat dairy( butter always and others sometimes) and do have some potatoes( not lately though), rice (ditto), and sprouted beans 1/ week or 2. Don't restrict calories but do log it. I'm high fat lowish carbs( lately lower per cbl and carb nite). Interesting re adrenals. Maybe I'm confused because when I went on thyroid supplementation they mentioned that when the adrenals are fatigued ( tested via full day saliva panel... Which mine were just a little)...that the weak adrenals could cause the thyroid supplementation to appear not to work. So I started supplementing adrenal and all started to get better. I added salt supplementation and suddenly the very low carb am felt great. Seems like the salt together w the rest is really carrying the day for the moment. I'm curious to see what the blood markers will be since this will be new since my last test. I'll post results. Glad the ladies chimed in also as I know we react differently. I'm about 2 weeks into the vlc experiment and feeling and performing fine. I believe if my metabolism were tanking there would be signs... More hoarseness( thyroid) more fatigue etc. Gotta run 😉
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