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I've been experimenting for 8 weeks now, tracking my results. The average is 2 back to back carb nites a week (Friday night and Saturday night, backloaded=as in I workout before). Some weeks 3 carbnites, sometimes just 1 carbnite, and some weeks more like a full day of carbs or two days like that.I was staring at my graph a few nights back and I seemed to notice a clear pattern. The weeks where I end up say having carbnite on friday night and then have carbs ALL day on Saturday, give me the best and easiest weight loss for the following week. So essentially it's one and a half days of carbs.My results seem to suggest it is MORE effective than say Fri night carbs and Sat night carbs. I don't quite understand why but I'm going to try it out for a few weeks to verify even more. My only guess is that 1.5 days of refeed gives me a more solid "reset", and maybe its got something to do with leptin etc.Anyone else got a similar experience or can rationalize these results? I mean shouldnt one carb night per week give the most fat loss?
i forget which book but think its the Ketogenic Diet by Lyle Mcdonald he suggest pretty much exactly this 1.5 day or so “refeed” as he doesn't feel a single day is enough to make a noticeable difference in the hormone responses you are looking for
It sounds like your tracking weight day to day. So what your probably actually looking at is the obvious pattern of water retention, followed by the water flushing out. If i go 7-10 days without carbs I drop 9lbs. Backloading a few days brings me back up 5-10 pounds depending on the amount of carbs. If i go ULC again, Im going to loose that right back over…
It sounds like your tracking weight day to day. So what your probably actually looking at is the obvious pattern of water retention, followed by the water flushing out. If i go 7-10 days without carbs I drop 9lbs. Backloading a few days brings me back up 5-10 pounds depending on the amount of carbs. If i go ULC again, Im going to loose that right back over...
backloads bring me up like .8 to 1 lb.. i guess i don't hold much water it seems
It sounds like your tracking weight day to day. So what your probably actually looking at is the obvious pattern of water retention, followed by the water flushing out. If i go 7-10 days without carbs I drop 9lbs. Backloading a few days brings me back up 5-10 pounds depending on the amount of carbs. If i go ULC again, Im going to loose that right back over...
Similarly to what CBach said, perhaps you just aren't fully replenishing glycogen on a Fri&Sat night split. Thus you won't have as much water weight to lose the following week. But by doing Friday night and all day Saturday you're getting in more carbs total, and more fully replenishing glycogen (and the water weight that can be associated with it.)Just a possibility. Probably the best way to test it would be to take a body comp scan (DXA or water), run the protocol for 4-6 weeks, do another scan. Then do the exact same thing for a different protocol and see which has better results.
Without body composition measurements you really can't conclude which method results in more fat loss. The water retention/glycogen factor will have a strong influence on weight unless the person is obese.
With all the above said. I dont think that its beneficial to have a day or two binge out on carbs. Unless your keeping your intake low for weight loss still, and just consumin carbs in your meals. Going this route I would use “healthier” carbs, rather than slamming cookies and pancakes for a day and a half. But really I think that following the ULC->CN standard protocol of 1 CN(6-8hours) every 5-7 days depending on body comp and training will yield the best results.
With all the above said. I dont think that its beneficial to have a day or two binge out on carbs. Unless your keeping your intake low for weight loss still, and just consumin carbs in your meals. Going this route I would use "healthier" carbs, rather than slamming cookies and pancakes for a day and a half. But really I think that following the ULC->CN standard protocol of 1 CN(6-8hours) every 5-7 days depending on body comp and training will yield the best results.
What is your reasoning for this? Other than the caloric load, I don't think this would matter.
Loading the body with Cake and Donuts for a day and a half, rather than White Rice and Sweet Potatoes wouldn't matter?We are still human beings, our bodies are going to respond differently to those carbohydrates. A day and a half of eating garbage isn't good for over health and longevity is all Im saying.
Loading the body with Cake and Donuts for a day and a half, rather than White Rice and Sweet Potatoes wouldn't matter?We are still human beings, our bodies are going to respond differently to those carbohydrates. A day and a half of eating garbage isn't good for over health and longevity is all Im saying.
I agree with you on health and longevity, but that isn't the purpose of these diets. The purpose is fat loss.
I get that. But (I assume) people want to loose fat to be healthy. If getting skinny while getting unhealthy is your goal than slam. But if you want to get healthy and skinny than its not hard to do so following the same program.
Loading the body with Cake and Donuts for a day and a half, rather than White Rice and Sweet Potatoes wouldn't matter?We are still human beings, our bodies are going to respond differently to those carbohydrates. A day and a half of eating garbage isn't good for over health and longevity is all Im saying.
What is healthy? Most people are pretty aware on these forums to limit heavy processing and foods that upset their digestive system. Are freshly baked doughnuts unhealthier than white rice? Doesnt need to be taken to extremes, common sense should be executed as I think the OP has a viable plan that seems similar to a bodyopus or even anabolic diet. Will be interested to follow.
Are those freshly made Donuts made with crisco? or GF Butter? Bleached Flour? or White Rice Flour? furthermore are you eating 5 or 6 of them? You met your kcal for the day if your trying to loose weight, and now you have to either be at a surplus to get your protein needs macros in. Im just saying a balance in necessary, and your not going to get that by eating sweets and garbage foods all day. In all cases the sweets should be chosen as non-garbage (freshly made-simple ingredients). But even then if thats what your hitting on, they are calorie dense and your over eating on something which will leave you under eating another
It's also worth noting that people generally have a very hard time letting go of previously held beliefs about food and what is considered healthy. Folks on this forum are no exception.Consider that both CNS and CBL (in the text) encourage cherry turnovers and cheesecake or pizza. Foods commonly considered very unhealthy. Also consider that Kiefer has mentioned that when ppl try to implement CBL but swap "unhealthy" refined carbs for "healthier" carbs such as brown rice, it backfires due to insulin response varying.These are all assumptions that go by unchallenged simply because it has become accepted socially. For example, many people have a problem ingesting copious amounts of butter because they still have lingering doubts about how good it is from all those decades of thinking differently before.Finally, just because one person gets results from it is NOT proof that it is fact. Perfect examples would be those vegans or other diet deviants who have visibly awesome results from doing something that science doesnt particularly support. There is no way of telling what their baseline level of definition is. They could be on a crap plan but have a body that can still look good in spite of it.A good analogy would be someone who's been indoctrinated with the whole "low fat" philosophy who stumbles onto say, the Atkins diet. In his mind, he would logically try this new Atkins thing, but still keep the fat low because "c'mon, everyone knows fat is bad for you". However, in doing so, he would actually be sabotaging himself.A true scientists questions everything
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