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It's also worth noting that people generally have a very hard time letting go of previously held beliefs about food and what is considered healthy. Folks on this forum are no exception.Consider that both CNS and CBL (in the text) encourage cherry turnovers and cheesecake or pizza. Foods commonly considered very unhealthy. Also consider that Kiefer has mentioned that when ppl try to implement CBL but swap "unhealthy" refined carbs for "healthier" carbs such as brown rice, it backfires due to insulin response varying.
True.. but as ibob said, these diets aren't about healthy.. They're about results.
True.. but as ibob said, these diets aren't about healthy.. They're about results.
true although in my experience going the "healthy" route is just as effective as going the junk food route.. so instead of loading up on foods with little to no nutritional value you should be able to get similar results going with nutrient dense foods..
Im litterally mind f*** to the fact that anyone would put forth the work needed to better how they “look” hile simultaneously giving there overall health and logevity negative effects. But if thats what someone wants… Slam those frenched fries and donuts. Ill be hitting rice noodles and home made waffles.
True.. but as ibob said, these diets aren't about healthy.. They're about results.
true although in my experience going the "healthy" route is just as effective as going the junk food route.. so instead of loading up on foods with little to no nutritional value you should be able to get similar results going with nutrient dense foods..
Completely agree.
Im litterally mind f*** to the fact that anyone would put forth the work needed to better how they "look" hile simultaneously giving there overall health and logevity negative effects. But if thats what someone wants... Slam those frenched fries and donuts. Ill be hitting rice noodles and home made waffles.
Why? Consider how many people do it in different ways? Women eating 1000 calories a day and running 3-7 miles a day because they want to look better. Could also look at the other side, in people that put forth the work needed to better how they perform while giving their overall health and longevity negative effects.. (athletes)..I'm completely in the camp of health and longevity first, aesthetics second, just like you.. But I can see why/how people do it. Some people are just uninformed (like the chronic cardio-ite example above), some people acknowledge it in order to accomplish goals (athletes).
Running 3-7 Miles and Eating at a calorie deficit is healthy for short periods of time, and will lead to a healthier body comp. After results/goals are met weight maintenance is achieved by eating the bodys required energy intake and continuing to be physically active. That is completely different from using a fat loss program such as this as justification to eating shit foods for a day or two. Or even for 6 hours on a standard CN protocol IMO.
Running 3-7 Miles and Eating at a calorie deficit is healthy for short periods of time, and will lead to a healthier body comp.
Could not disagree more.
Im litterally mind f*** to the fact that anyone would put forth the work needed to better how they "look" hile simultaneously giving there overall health and logevity negative effects. But if thats what someone wants... Slam those frenched fries and donuts. Ill be hitting rice noodles and home made waffles.
You shouldn't be mind fucked at all. Look at any professional bodybuilder or physique competitor. They obviously put fat loss before health. Also look at the amount of people that use pharmaceuticals to lose weight. To be honest with you, if being fat wasn't considered physically unattractive, I doubt the fitness and health industries would even exist. I would just be like 70 years ago, just a few bodybuilders and strength athletes lifting weights in a dungeon. CBL and CNS are performance diets first. How healthy it is depends on the user. The two are closely intertwined, but they do conflict with each other.
The fitness industry actually started booming in the 50's and never stopped growing. It started as a place for businessmen to socialize and continued to evolve from there. About the health issue, there are ways to loose fat, and look great and improve overall health and longevity at the same time is all im saying.
Im litterally mind f*** to the fact that anyone would put forth the work needed to better how they "look" hile simultaneously giving there overall health and logevity negative effects. But if thats what someone wants... Slam those frenched fries and donuts. Ill be hitting rice noodles and home made waffles.
You shouldn't be mind fucked at all. Look at any professional bodybuilder or physique competitor. They obviously put fat loss before health. Also look at the amount of people that use pharmaceuticals to lose weight. To be honest with you, if being fat wasn't considered physically unattractive, I doubt the fitness and health industries would even exist. I would just be like 70 years ago, just a few bodybuilders and strength athletes lifting weights in a dungeon. CBL and CNS are performance diets first. How healthy it is depends on the user. The two are closely intertwined, but they do conflict with each other.
i agree in the realms of bodybuilding and competative lifting health is generally not a top concern for many people.. Lifting 3x+ your bodyweight on a consistent basis is hardly great for you as it is very taxing on your CNS, joints, ect ect... And on the bodybuilding side it should be obvious with steriods, extremely low bf% and such that aesthetics is more important to them than their overall health.
The fitness industry actually started booming in the 50's and never stopped growing. It started as a place for businessmen to socialize and continued to evolve from there. About the health issue, there are ways to loose fat, and look great and improve overall health and longevity at the same time is all im saying.
So you're telling me going to the gym was common in the 50's? Amongst businessmen?And I agree with you on the health issue. However that isn't everyone's goal.
Yea isnt that f*** up? I had a class that covered the history of the fitness industry and thats pretty much how it started. That and bored GI's after WWII man haha.
Loading the body with Cake and Donuts for a day and a half, rather than White Rice and Sweet Potatoes wouldn't matter?We are still human beings, our bodies are going to respond differently to those carbohydrates. A day and a half of eating garbage isn't good for over health and longevity is all Im saying.
I am with CB here. Also, on one of the latest podcasts Keifer said to Robb Wolf (I think it has his podcast) that if he knew what he knows now he'd advise ppl to have clean carbs in CNS and not processed foods. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
It's also worth noting that people generally have a very hard time letting go of previously held beliefs about food and what is considered healthy. Folks on this forum are no exception.Consider that both CNS and CBL (in the text) encourage cherry turnovers and cheesecake or pizza. Foods commonly considered very unhealthy. Also consider that Kiefer has mentioned that when ppl try to implement CBL but swap "unhealthy" refined carbs for "healthier" carbs such as brown rice, it backfires due to insulin response varying.
True.. but as ibob said, these diets aren't about healthy.. They're about results.
That is not 100% true. Dr. Patel is using a version of CNS specifically with patients who have the singular goal of health and are achieving that goal.I think a big mistake many make is recognizing the HUGE difference in bodily responses between continual junk food snacking and short term junk food cycling.
It's also worth noting that people generally have a very hard time letting go of previously held beliefs about food and what is considered healthy. Folks on this forum are no exception.Consider that both CNS and CBL (in the text) encourage cherry turnovers and cheesecake or pizza. Foods commonly considered very unhealthy. Also consider that Kiefer has mentioned that when ppl try to implement CBL but swap "unhealthy" refined carbs for "healthier" carbs such as brown rice, it backfires due to insulin response varying.
True.. but as ibob said, these diets aren't about healthy.. They're about results.
That is not 100% true. Dr. Patel is using a version of CNS specifically with patients who have the singular goal of health and are achieving that goal.I think a big mistake many make is recognizing the HUGE difference in bodily responses between continual junk food snacking and short term junk food cycling.
Exactly. He's using a version. If you read the book (as well as listen to Kiefer) Carb Nite was created for maximum fat loss while maintaining muscle mass. It wasn't seen as healthy until later on. As I said, Carb Nite is as healthy as the user makes it. However, it doesn't have to be healthy. You can eat junk and still get excellent results.
I don't think it's a stretch at all to say results for CNS are better with healthier food choices. In my experience, I did three months of CNS last year and all tolled dropped about 20# of bw. My food choices weren't very healthy either in ULC days or during carb nites. This cycle I've chosen to eat Paleo foods (grass-fed meats, pastured dairy, vegetables) and in six weeks I'm closing in on 30# of weight loss. Now granted I do not have bodyfat %s on both sides of those periods as evidence, but consider Mark Bell's story, which is what inspired me to do CNS in the first place:Pushing Harder than Ever - by Mark BellMark's CNS results, which he attained under the guidance of Kiefer's client Jesse Burdick, also incorporated a largely Paleo diet. He's mentioned on multiple videos how his carb choices on Carb Nite were mostly white rice and sweet potatoes, with one less healthy choice later in the evening like ice cream. I think his "after" photos speak for themselves.Does this mean people cannot/have not achieve(d) similar results eating donuts all night on CNS? Likely not. But if you want the best shot at making CNS work for you, I'm certain that healthier food choices will help your results along faster than unhealthy ones, and that goes the same for your ULC choices and carb quality on carb nites.Let's also consider adding up all of the donut binges over a 3-month period of CNS, vs. binges of white rice and sweet potatoes. That's at least four days of carb intake (assuming an 8ish-hour carb nite once a week). Consider the aggregate effects of crappy processed carbs vs. healthy carbs over 96 hours of intake. The recent Robb Wolf podcast with Kiefer is definitely a good one. Check it out here:Paleo Solution Podcast #204 - Kiefer
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