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Can i use patches instead of gum? Lol wtf... Cant believe im considering nicotine for my goals...!!
LMAOOOO YASSSSSSSSSSS
The difference is the amount of nicotine. For the purpose we are using it for the gum is ideal. Cigarettes and dip are addictive because the amount of nicotine is much higher. Doing my second run of nicotine gum(4mg piece cut in half), and I had no problem stopping. Although I have never been a smoker or dipper.
Cigarettes at least have over 4000 chemicals added to them to make them more addictive (rocket fuel is my favorite one), i am going to assume the same for the pouches.
Please name a few of these chemicals and give citations from medical journals that PROVES they are addictive.You think "rocket fuel" is addicitve?Cigarettes don't contain rocket fuel. What is this 3rd grade? They contain ingredients similar to rocket fuel such as dimethylnitrosamine. And the fact remains living next to a factory can lead to more ingestion of dimethylnitrosamine than smoking cigarettes.Furthermore the people who claim all of these chemicals "are addictive" never cite their sources.Nicotine is clearly the active drug in cigarettes and cleary its what we are after. Drugs of any sort (caffeine, nicotine) are addictive by their VERY NATURE.All of the other crap in cigarettes is what helps them burn & have their flavor (which smokers claim is good).The addiction is to the nicotine which is why people use gum/patches to quit. You don't withdraw from any of the other shit in ciggs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_additives_in_cigaretteshttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2040350/
All the gums i've seen have sorbotil etc ie. sugar alcohols. So why are people recommending gum??Gonna go for the patches myself.Also, you can't get EC stack here in Aus.
How long should you chew/stick between gum & cheek to get full effect?also can someone explain the purpose of nicotine during the backload? Surely not to supress appetite?
i chew it for about 10 seconds and then stick it between my gum and cheek. then leave it thar for like 15 mins and then repeat the processi chew the 4mg pieces so one piece usually lasts me at least one hour
All the gums i've seen have sorbotil etc ie. sugar alcohols. So why are people recommending gum??Gonna go for the patches myself.Also, you can't get EC stack here in Aus.
The brand i looked at has like 300mg per piece, so if your having 2 pieces in the ULC part of the day thats less than 1g of carbs. Hardly worth worrying about.You can get epha in Australia, just depends on how bad you want it. 😉
i chew it for about 10 seconds and then stick it between my gum and cheek. then leave it thar for like 15 mins and then repeat the processi chew the 4mg pieces so one piece usually lasts me at least one hour
Thanks. Any ideas about chewing it during a backload?
Are people really giving into this gimmick?What happened to the good ole ECA stack (or EC)? I promise you that EC will blow nicotine out of the water.
I wouldn't necessarily call it a gimmick, if it works then it works. Kinder certainly seems to think soIt does offer some advantages over EC for me. One is they require less caffeine for the thermo effect (and until we see Kiefers article caffeine might not be needed). Two it's more easily acquired, at least if you're looking for straight ephedrine HCl, I have to order from Canada for that. The biggest thing for me though is its competition legal. EC is good for out of competition, but in comp it is on the banned substance list. Even though it's doubtful I'd ever get drug tested in the near future, it works better with my personal morality near competition and if I ever get good enough, it will certainly be a more valuable tool than Ephedrine
All the gums i've seen have sorbotil etc ie. sugar alcohols. So why are people recommending gum??Gonna go for the patches myself.Also, you can't get EC stack here in Aus.
The brand i looked at has like 300mg per piece, so if your having 2 pieces in the ULC part of the day thats less than 1g of carbs. Hardly worth worrying about.You can get epha in Australia, just depends on how bad you want it. 😉
Is getting it the same as trying to get sus/clen/dbol etc or can you order it online?
i chew it for about 10 seconds and then stick it between my gum and cheek. then leave it thar for like 15 mins and then repeat the processi chew the 4mg pieces so one piece usually lasts me at least one hour
Thanks. Any ideas about chewing it during a backload?
I haven't rly looked into chewing it as part of any protocol. I just chew it throughout the day for the hell of it in order to keep the fat-burning as optimal as possibleThen maybe one day out of the week I'll actually buy a pack of cigarettes again and just smoke like an asshole. I've been a smoker for nearly 15 years, so it's tough to give it all up completely but I think if I'm down to one pack per week rather than a pack per day is a better than not doing anything at all
All the gums i've seen have sorbotil etc ie. sugar alcohols. So why are people recommending gum??Gonna go for the patches myself.Also, you can't get EC stack here in Aus.
The brand i looked at has like 300mg per piece, so if your having 2 pieces in the ULC part of the day thats less than 1g of carbs. Hardly worth worrying about.You can get epha in Australia, just depends on how bad you want it. 😉
Is getting it the same as trying to get sus/clen/dbol etc or can you order it online?
You could check for some OTC bronchodilator medicinesBronkaid contains Ephedrine Sulfate, Primatene tablets have Ephedrine HCl.Both also contain an expectorant. In the US you can only buy them in limited quantities, but you can get them
Are people really giving into this gimmick?What happened to the good ole ECA stack (or EC)? I promise you that EC will blow nicotine out of the water.
Its not JUST about the fat loss though. It also helps to keep mTOR activated and thus helps to prevent muscle loss during periods of low/no food intake.
Are people really giving into this gimmick?What happened to the good ole ECA stack (or EC)? I promise you that EC will blow nicotine out of the water.
Its not JUST about the fat loss though. It also helps to keep mTOR activated and thus helps to prevent muscle loss during periods of low/no food intake.
+1 with GlitcheAlso, I've used EC, I would say the Nicotine gum is at least on par with EC for fat loss, but the nootropic function of nicotine is far greater for me.
Is getting it the same as trying to get sus/clen/dbol etc or can you order it online?
Best if you can get it online
I suppose it comes down to this – what are you prepared to do/take to get the results you need. So you could take hydrolysate AND isolate but if you have just isolate – that's ok. You could take some caffeine powder PWO or you could brew yourself another coffee too, you could chew nicotine gum to maximize gains/losses or you could stick with CBL or CNS and continue along the way you're going. No mention of nicotine gum in CNS or CBL – lots of people getting great results. Yeah I know, it'll probably get included in CBL XP. Well there's a whole heap of stuff I don't include from CBL like pepto-pro, hydrolysate and Moon Over My Hammy but I'm still getting the results I was looking for.If Kiefer started taking intravenous supplementation to optimize fat burning, would you? Yeah I know, we're just trying to squeeze every last ounce of optimization into these diet protocols. I'm just saying, while I'm sure it all holds up in a court of science I'm not about to start supplementing with yet more processed shit. A "clean delivery system"? More fool me I guess.
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