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November 23, 2012 at 5:04 am #93212
jimbo40MemberHow do you see the full nicotine article?I shared the post on twitter but am not sure how to find the whole article.
November 23, 2012 at 5:06 am #93213
Trevor G FullbrightModeratorHow do you see the full nicotine article?I shared the post on twitter but am not sure how to find the whole article.
I showed up for me right after I liked it on FB.
November 23, 2012 at 5:09 am #93214
jimbo40MemberHow do you see the full nicotine article?I shared the post on twitter but am not sure how to find the whole article.
I showed up for me right after I liked it on FB.
Ok thanks ill try that instead.
November 23, 2012 at 11:30 pm #93215
kcarolhxwParticipantCan anyone explain this to me…from his nicotine article:
Nicotine, because of its unique receptor stimulation on fat cells, causes them to dump fat like a drunk sorority girl puking her guts out after a party[6, 13-14]. Because of this, nicotine is not appropriate for a carb-based diet because the simultaneous increase of triglyceride levels, insulin, and blood sugar can cause all the problems associated with diabetes—and fat cells exposed to nicotine and insulin simultaneously can actually increase the rate of fat storage in fat cells[15]. The fat-dumping potential of nicotine also increases with physical activity, so the more you move—or the more intense your movement is—the more fat you’ll burn[16].
Nicotine clears the system in roughly 24 hours, but this takes longer in the evening[24], and it’s hard to sleep with the elevated body temperature this causes. The same is true for Carb Back-Loading, but in that case, you don’t want to ingest nicotine with carbs because of the adverse effects discussed earlier.
Also, ingesting nicotine earlier in the day can cause transient insulin resistance[26], which means that if you’re ingesting nicotine while on Carb Back-Loading, you absolutely must resistance train.
I recommend chewing gum twice per day on training days, and only once per day on non-training days—or not at all.
I'm a little confused. So nicotine stays in the system for 24 hours after consuming, and we shouldn't consume nicotine and carbs at the same time. BUT nicotine consumed earlier in the day can actually cause a delayed effect of insulin resistance more toward the evening, and if we resistance train, we can time nicotine consumption for a synergistic benefit for carb backloading? Is THAT what he means?From what I gathered it seemed nicotine would only be good on days, regardless of physical activity, where we're not consuming carbs for 24 hours after. This would exclude backloading days.Bonus question: if nicotine is in our system for up to 24 hours, is that how long we receive the fat-burning benefits of it? Or is there a specific amount of time the body reacts to nicotine versus how long it is physically in our system.
November 24, 2012 at 12:28 am #93216
Trevor G FullbrightModeratorCan anyone explain this to me...from his nicotine article:
Nicotine, because of its unique receptor stimulation on fat cells, causes them to dump fat like a drunk sorority girl puking her guts out after a party[6, 13-14]. Because of this, nicotine is not appropriate for a carb-based diet because the simultaneous increase of triglyceride levels, insulin, and blood sugar can cause all the problems associated with diabetes—and fat cells exposed to nicotine and insulin simultaneously can actually increase the rate of fat storage in fat cells[15]. The fat-dumping potential of nicotine also increases with physical activity, so the more you move—or the more intense your movement is—the more fat you’ll burn[16].
Nicotine clears the system in roughly 24 hours, but this takes longer in the evening[24], and it’s hard to sleep with the elevated body temperature this causes. The same is true for Carb Back-Loading, but in that case, you don’t want to ingest nicotine with carbs because of the adverse effects discussed earlier.
Also, ingesting nicotine earlier in the day can cause transient insulin resistance[26], which means that if you’re ingesting nicotine while on Carb Back-Loading, you absolutely must resistance train.
I recommend chewing gum twice per day on training days, and only once per day on non-training days—or not at all.
I'm a little confused. So nicotine stays in the system for 24 hours after consuming, and we shouldn't consume nicotine and carbs at the same time. BUT nicotine consumed earlier in the day can actually cause a delayed effect of insulin resistance more toward the evening, and if we resistance train, we can time nicotine consumption for a synergistic benefit for carb backloading? Is THAT what he means?From what I gathered it seemed nicotine would only be good on days, regardless of physical activity, where we're not consuming carbs for 24 hours after. This would exclude backloading days.Bonus question: if nicotine is in our system for up to 24 hours, is that how long we receive the fat-burning benefits of it? Or is there a specific amount of time the body reacts to nicotine versus how long it is physically in our system.
The Quick answer to this would be don't eat carbs within 24 hours if you aren't resistance training.Remember, it's not that training increases insulin sensitivity, it does insulin job without the insulin.
November 24, 2012 at 12:35 am #93217
Richard SchmittModeratorCan anyone explain this to me...from his nicotine article:
Nicotine, because of its unique receptor stimulation on fat cells, causes them to dump fat like a drunk sorority girl puking her guts out after a party[6, 13-14]. Because of this, nicotine is not appropriate for a carb-based diet because the simultaneous increase of triglyceride levels, insulin, and blood sugar can cause all the problems associated with diabetes—and fat cells exposed to nicotine and insulin simultaneously can actually increase the rate of fat storage in fat cells[15]. The fat-dumping potential of nicotine also increases with physical activity, so the more you move—or the more intense your movement is—the more fat you’ll burn[16].
Nicotine clears the system in roughly 24 hours, but this takes longer in the evening[24], and it’s hard to sleep with the elevated body temperature this causes. The same is true for Carb Back-Loading, but in that case, you don’t want to ingest nicotine with carbs because of the adverse effects discussed earlier.
Also, ingesting nicotine earlier in the day can cause transient insulin resistance[26], which means that if you’re ingesting nicotine while on Carb Back-Loading, you absolutely must resistance train.
I recommend chewing gum twice per day on training days, and only once per day on non-training days—or not at all.
I'm a little confused. So nicotine stays in the system for 24 hours after consuming, and we shouldn't consume nicotine and carbs at the same time. BUT nicotine consumed earlier in the day can actually cause a delayed effect of insulin resistance more toward the evening, and if we resistance train, we can time nicotine consumption for a synergistic benefit for carb backloading? Is THAT what he means?From what I gathered it seemed nicotine would only be good on days, regardless of physical activity, where we're not consuming carbs for 24 hours after. This would exclude backloading days.Bonus question: if nicotine is in our system for up to 24 hours, is that how long we receive the fat-burning benefits of it? Or is there a specific amount of time the body reacts to nicotine versus how long it is physically in our system.
How much I would LOVE to answer this question to the best of my knowledge, this is something that should be brought up to Kiefer since he took the time for trail and error. Along with research and experimenting. My opinion on it that you should consume nicotine if you're going on stage in 2-4 weeks. Also if you do attempt to try this, then try the recommendation laid out. I have to assume to reasoning behind consuming nicotine early in the day is because of being more alert, probably won't help you sleep at all, ruining the effects it has for the GH during the evening. Now the fat burning affects can probably occur during that 24 hours, but you also have to look at it helping you mentally as well. Resistance training does the same thing with a 24 hour fat burning affect. I'm sorry I am not more help =/
November 24, 2012 at 12:44 am #93218
Lesli BortzParticipantAnd it would raise questions too complex for me to go in to with my wife. I've already had the "no breakfast? You HAVE to eat breakfast - it's the most important meal of the day!!", "Eat junk at night?? Are you kidding me?!? If you get fat I'm divorcing you!", "What the f**k are you taking caffeine for!? It'll give you a heart attack!!" - some people can't be told different to what they may have read in a newspaper/magazine. I could do without having to explain why I have nicotine gum in my gym bag.....truth be known. +1
I randomly came across this thread. I personally won't be taking nicotine gum - I'm looking for these protocols to be long-term and its not something I'm willing to do long-term. It's one of those "to each his own".But in reference to the quote above...my husband thinks CNS/CBL is not healthy or in his words is "stupid" and we've had minor disagreements but I think the key is that I don't talk about it. I just do my own thing and he does his. I've lost 15 pounds, he's lost 40 pounds and we're doing it different ways. He does seem to be coming around to the idea that less carbs are better and eating more fat is actually okay...but it's something that time has told. He also does cardio 5 days a week while I haven't done any. I know it makes him think about it. Like I said, it helps to just let it be. And since you WON'T get fat your wife has nothing to worry about lol.
November 24, 2012 at 1:51 am #93219
mwachtelParticipantAnd it would raise questions too complex for me to go in to with my wife. I've already had the "no breakfast? You HAVE to eat breakfast - it's the most important meal of the day!!", "Eat junk at night?? Are you kidding me?!? If you get fat I'm divorcing you!", "What the f**k are you taking caffeine for!? It'll give you a heart attack!!" - some people can't be told different to what they may have read in a newspaper/magazine. I could do without having to explain why I have nicotine gum in my gym bag.....truth be known. +1
I randomly came across this thread. I personally won't be taking nicotine gum - I'm looking for these protocols to be long-term and its not something I'm willing to do long-term. It's one of those "to each his own".But in reference to the quote above...my husband thinks CNS/CBL is not healthy or in his words is "stupid" and we've had minor disagreements but I think the key is that I don't talk about it. I just do my own thing and he does his. I've lost 15 pounds, he's lost 40 pounds and we're doing it different ways. He does seem to be coming around to the idea that less carbs are better and eating more fat is actually okay...but it's something that time has told. He also does cardio 5 days a week while I haven't done any. I know it makes him think about it. Like I said, it helps to just let it be. And since you WON'T get fat your wife has nothing to worry about lol.
If I may ask, how heavy was your husband when he started simply lower calories? higher BF %?
November 24, 2012 at 2:52 am #93220
Lesli BortzParticipantHe was 269/70 and low 230s now. He's 6'1″. Still has 20 pounds to go I'd guess. He's losing strength though – which he says will happen when you lose weight but I've gained strength – considerably – so I don't think that necessarily has to happen and would be the downfall to his diet. But I'm sitting here on my 2nd CN (I do two back-to-back) with brownies, muffins and carrot cake while he just left dinner saying he was still hungry. I'll take my diet any day LOL…
November 24, 2012 at 4:37 am #93221
TomahawkMemberAnd it would raise questions too complex for me to go in to with my wife. I've already had the "no breakfast? You HAVE to eat breakfast - it's the most important meal of the day!!", "Eat junk at night?? Are you kidding me?!? If you get fat I'm divorcing you!", "What the f**k are you taking caffeine for!? It'll give you a heart attack!!" - some people can't be told different to what they may have read in a newspaper/magazine. I could do without having to explain why I have nicotine gum in my gym bag.....truth be known. +1
I randomly came across this thread. I personally won't be taking nicotine gum - I'm looking for these protocols to be long-term and its not something I'm willing to do long-term. It's one of those "to each his own".But in reference to the quote above...my husband thinks CNS/CBL is not healthy or in his words is "stupid" and we've had minor disagreements but I think the key is that I don't talk about it. I just do my own thing and he does his. I've lost 15 pounds, he's lost 40 pounds and we're doing it different ways. He does seem to be coming around to the idea that less carbs are better and eating more fat is actually okay...but it's something that time has told. He also does cardio 5 days a week while I haven't done any. I know it makes him think about it. Like I said, it helps to just let it be. And since you WON'T get fat your wife has nothing to worry about lol.
It makes me laugh a bit to hear about the male being the one doing cardio in the relationship. So used to seeing females do tons of cardio.Congrats on all the progress you have made and keep it up. Obviously this is a lot more fun than most "diets" so it wont be too hard.
November 24, 2012 at 4:44 am #93222
Lesli BortzParticipantIt makes me laugh a bit to hear about the male being the one doing cardio in the relationship. So used to seeing females do tons of cardio.Congrats on all the progress you have made and keep it up. Obviously this is a lot more fun than most "diets" so it wont be too hard.
Cardio is evil. But I LOVE weight training so I think my frequency and intensity (and of course the protocols) make up for it. Thank you by the way...I've been very dedicated! It's more trial and error than any other "diet" but the results have been well worth it.
November 24, 2012 at 5:02 am #93223
McLeod2012MemberOff subject, but where can we get the gum? Wal Mart or any other store? And online?
November 24, 2012 at 12:48 pm #93224
guitarjonParticipantHe was 269/70 and low 230s now. He's 6'1". Still has 20 pounds to go I'd guess. He's losing strength though - which he says will happen when you lose weight but I've gained strength - considerably - so I don't think that necessarily has to happen and would be the downfall to his diet. But I'm sitting here on my 2nd CN (I do two back-to-back) with brownies, muffins and carrot cake while he just left dinner saying he was still hungry. I'll take my diet any day LOL...
Just out of curiosity, what led you to doing 2 CNs back to back?
November 24, 2012 at 2:00 pm #93225
mwachtelParticipantOff subject, but where can we get the gum? Wal Mart or any other store? And online?[/quotefound that online sites like amazon amd ebay are much better for pricing.Think i got 105 pieces of 2mg for 19.99 and free shipping off ebay! Getting here monday
November 24, 2012 at 2:56 pm #93226
Lesli BortzParticipantHe was 269/70 and low 230s now. He's 6'1". Still has 20 pounds to go I'd guess. He's losing strength though - which he says will happen when you lose weight but I've gained strength - considerably - so I don't think that necessarily has to happen and would be the downfall to his diet. But I'm sitting here on my 2nd CN (I do two back-to-back) with brownies, muffins and carrot cake while he just left dinner saying he was still hungry. I'll take my diet any day LOL...
Just out of curiosity, what led you to doing 2 CNs back to back?
Short answer, didn't lose any weight after doing CBL 4 months. Sat/Wed CN didn't work so trial and error brought me to my solution. Lost 9 pounds now since trying it. I totally took this thread off topic :- I started a new log Monday and all my info/measurements/diet is there.
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