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November 27, 2012 at 6:38 pm #93242
Richard SchmittModeratorSo what have been people experiences with the gum so far? I have a little anxiety sometimes, will it affect that?
Check the thread already about the nicotine gum!
November 27, 2012 at 6:55 pm #93243
bigguyskyMemberyes ive seen csome of the articles, maybe im just not finding it but i was just seeing if anxiety/sleep can be affected by doing this? And from what ive gathered you only want 1mg doses at a time? Does it depend on weight at all?
November 27, 2012 at 8:13 pm #93244
pjaszewskiGuestSo to summarize the protocol: Back Loading Carb Nite*Training Day 1mg morning 1mg morning 1mg afternoon 1mg afternoon.........................................................................................Off Day None 1mg morning* No Nicotine on "feast" day or you must trainOnly use for 8 week cycles at most then cycle off for at least 4 weeks.Am I understanding things right?
November 27, 2012 at 8:26 pm #93245
Richard SchmittModeratorPretty much sums it up yes
November 28, 2012 at 2:48 am #93246
Ulam25MemberI know Keifer recommended 4 doses of 2mg a day, but why would you take nicotine during the backload?Won't that limit the amount of carbs you will eat?Personally, I would only take 2 doses in the morning with coffee to reduce my appetite till my first meal at 12pm. Does the dose amount matter?
November 28, 2012 at 6:18 am #93247
kcarolhxwParticipantI know Keifer recommended 4 doses of 2mg a day, but why would you take nicotine during the backload?Won't that limit the amount of carbs you will eat?
His article lists a much smaller dose I think, 1 mg in the morning and 1 mg a few hours before you train.
November 28, 2012 at 8:18 am #93248
CainoParticipant1mg when i bite in half disintergrates within 5 mins! What sort if gum do you think he mixes it with as stated in his article? I thought this whole sugar free business was no good but i still see people using things like splenda, stevia etc and they have things like maltodextrin in them? Got me fucked i tell ya
November 28, 2012 at 9:53 am #93249
Alexander BaurParticipantI was trying it to see the effect on fat loss together with caffeine (referring to this article). I was quartering a 4mg gum and chew it together with a normal gum.It really helps you to control the feeling of hunger. And it helps to get back a mental focus and energy but I get a bit dizzy from chewing it too long (I'm not a smoker and have never smoked). But I can't say that it really speeds up fat burning. It only gives a scratchy throat while chewing.
November 28, 2012 at 12:27 pm #93250
Richard SchmittModeratorDo y'all not have access to the CBL threads or something?
November 28, 2012 at 6:40 pm #93251
CainoParticipantDo y'all not have access to the CBL threads or something?
This must be pointed at me lol i dont have full access but i know what your saying, and ad people say "kiefer is always tweaking things since his first book"
November 28, 2012 at 6:42 pm #93252
kcarolhxwParticipantIs there another nicotine thread? I searched for one…link?
November 28, 2012 at 6:43 pm #93253
guitarjonParticipantThe article is on the DH Homepage.
November 28, 2012 at 7:05 pm #93254
Richard SchmittModeratorYes I just merged them all this morning T_T
November 28, 2012 at 7:05 pm #93255
AdamFiddlerGuestCarl Lanore just had a fellow from UCLA on his radio show talking about the transgenerational effects of cigarette smoking by both males and females. He seemed convinced that nicotine was just as much to blame for these effects as cigarette smoke (things like asthma, for example). There was no talk of cancer or anything like that related to nicotine, but this guy definitely seemed convinced that nicotine wasn't the greatest idea in the world and that it would have effects on future offspring. I haven't been able to find much on pubmed, but here was the one related paper I did find (Abstract only):Endocrine. 2007 Jun;31(3):254-9.Transgenerational effects of fetal and neonatal exposure to nicotine.Holloway AC, Cuu DQ, Morrison KM, Gerstein HC, Tarnopolsky MA.SourceReproductive Biology Division, Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, McMaster University, RM HSC-3N52, 1200 Main Street West, Hamilton, ON, Canada. hollow@mcmaster.caAbstractA wide variety of in utero insults are associated with an increased incidence of metabolic disorders in the offspring and in subsequent generations. We have shown that fetal and neonatal exposure to nicotine results in endocrine and metabolic changes in the offspring that are consistent with those observed in type 2 diabetes. This study examines whether fetal and neonatal exposure to nicotine has transgenerational effects in the F2 offspring. Female Wistar rats were given either saline or nicotine (1 mg/kg/d) during pregnancy and lactation to create saline- and nicotine-exposed female F1 progeny. These F1 females were then bred to produce F2 offspring. We examined glucose homeostasis, serum lipids and fat pad weights, mitochondrial enzyme activity in skeletal muscle and blood pressure in these F2 offspring between 13 and 15 weeks of age. Offspring of nicotine- versus saline-exposed mothers had elevated fasting serum insulin concentrations and an enhanced total insulin response to the glucose challenge. This apparent insulin resistance was unrelated to changes in skeletal muscle mitochondrial volume or activity. The offspring of nicotine-exposed mothers also had elevated blood pressure. These data demonstrate that adverse effects of fetal and neonatal exposure to nicotine can influence aspects of metabolic risk in subsequent generations.
November 28, 2012 at 7:09 pm #93256
McLeod2012MemberI feel like a 1mg dose to a rat would be more harmful than a 1mg dosing in a human.
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