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What do you guys think of the Post-Workout…Redefined! Kiefer sent out? I get that it's basically advertising for his Carb-Shock, but what do you guys think about waiting an hour pwo before having any nutrition coming in?
Well it makes sense and with the cites to back up what he suggests doing. I am also certain he has been doing this on himself as well. I would also assume you need a larger spike as he wrote about. Not sure the exact amounts, but the new product looks awesome.
So I don't know if anyone knows this but would this Carb Shock stuff be ok to add into a PWO if I am doing CN? (Of course I know it isn't available yet but not going to lie that article was pretty interesting)
It sounds like it from what Kiefer said on Fb.. ” Carb Shock is something you can and should add to any post-workout protein powder or shake. And it saves you from the horrible taste of hydrolysates and high cost while providing a bigger insulin spike than is normally possible. This supplement has so many uses for CBL and Carb Nite, it's ridiculous…”
I was wondering about that hour after training. I usually walk on the hamster wheel for 30-40 mins PWO rather than sit in traffic.(This is when I listen to podcasts). Now i was following the finish lifting chug shake go walk routine. Now i gotta wonder if I have to wait an hour after the walk before i can have the shake, and then how long after shake for insulin levels to recede sop we can have whole food? Or am I just overthinking the whole thing?
From what I understand, it's only applicable to “normal resistance training.” But it may also depend on how fast of a hamster you are…
Well it makes sense and with the cites to back up what he suggests doing. I am also certain he has been doing this on himself as well. I would also assume you need a larger spike as he wrote about. Not sure the exact amounts, but the new product looks awesome.
Does anyone know if you would also benefit from waiting an hour if the pwo shake was only leucine and whey? I think I head Kiefer say that Carb-Shock wouldn't ship outside the U.S..
I'll put this question out there now that I'm thinking about it. Shake PWO on the anabolic cardio protocol? If your essential training twice in the same day are we still having a shake post hiit? Or even the pre workout leucine that kiefer recommends in the article, and the tube cast? I'm definitely going to switch to the 1 hour wait after lifting for PWO,but on days where we train twice whats the protocol? Secondly since this new PWO shake is going to cause such a massive insulin spike, what is the wait time before we introduce solid food? This may be more important on CBL than CNS, but it does need some clarification. One other thing, does this same rule apply to fasted AM training, he states in the report to train between 3-5pm, thats not possible for everybody(although it does fall into my usual schedule) but do the same rules apply. I'm new around here, so I'm not sure how often Keifer tends to update when releasing a new product. Could we be speculating for days here, or will info be readily available? At this point, just get me my carb shok!!! ;D
Well it makes sense and with the cites to back up what he suggests doing. I am also certain he has been doing this on himself as well. I would also assume you need a larger spike as he wrote about. Not sure the exact amounts, but the new product looks awesome.
Does anyone know if you would also benefit from waiting an hour if the pwo shake was only leucine and whey? I think I head Kiefer say that Carb-Shock wouldn't ship outside the U.S..
From my understanding of the report(and it could be flawed), you shouldnt ingest anything but water for one hour PWO. Is that an hour max, or at least an hour? That I'm not sure about as it could be take either way based on the language in two separate sections of the report. You already have Leucine, and I'm guessing your whey is hydro since that has been the recommendation for what seems to be a little while now. Fenugreek should be somewhat easy to come across, and you shouldn't need the enzymes if your using hydro. The others I'm going to guess will be tougher to get a hold of, but I haven't really looked into it just yet. While I will most definitely be ordering some Carb Shok, I just got a sizable order of leucine and hydro, so that will get used up first.
From my understanding of the report(and it could be flawed), you shouldnt ingest anything but water for one hour PWO. Is that an hour max, or at least an hour? That I'm not sure about as it could be take either way based on the language in two separate sections of the report.
I think the target is pretty much one hour, though a bit either way probably won't matter. Individuals and their workout routines aren't all identical anyway.From page 20: "The hour has passed. Now it’s time to consume your post-workout shake."From page 22: "Once we have trained we want to WAIT one hour before we consume any post workout nutrition."From page 25: "Taking digestive enzymes one hour after your workout, with your post-workout nutrition, will allow your body to pre-digest the complex protein molecules into the desirable di and tri peptides."_
I'll put this question out there now that I'm thinking about it. Shake PWO on the anabolic cardio protocol? If your essential training twice in the same day are we still having a shake post hiit? Or even the pre workout leucine that kiefer recommends in the article, and the tube cast? I'm definitely going to switch to the 1 hour wait after lifting for PWO,but on days where we train twice whats the protocol? Without Kiefer's thoughts about this on his opinion, I don't know now. He did come out to say that he doesn't recommend the Pre or Intra nutrition anymore UNLESS FOR VERY SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES.Secondly since this new PWO shake is going to cause such a massive insulin spike, what is the wait time before we introduce solid food? This may be more important on CBL than CNS, but it does need some clarification. Unsure about the post-shake food, however to make it clear. It is not a new shake, it is an addition to the shake you're currently taking. One other thing, does this same rule apply to fasted AM training, he states in the report to train between 3-5pm, thats not possible for everybody(although it does fall into my usual schedule) but do the same rules apply. I'm new around here, so I'm not sure how often Keifer tends to update when releasing a new product. Could we be speculating for days here, or will info be readily available? When the product comes out, I'm sure he'll have more suggestions in another download or article on the "how-to's". The optimal time has always been 3-5pm, however modifications have been suggested to make nutrition work for in the certain times you do train. At this point, just get me my
carb shokCarbShock!!! ;DThis supplement sounds pretty cool. Also if you checked out the label at the end of the book, it lists exactly how much of each substance is in it. For a supplement that is pretty rare. None of that “proprietary blend” stuff.I'm personally wondering how my intra shake will effect this. I'm hesitant to get rid of it because my workouts are very long and it gives me a little boost.Nevertheless, I bet CBL 2.0 will get more in depth with this topic. Also did you notice the pdf was called 'Volume 1"? That tells me there will be other issues.On the topic of "how long should I eat after the shake," I think a half hour or so would be good.
This supplement sounds pretty cool. Also if you checked out the label at the end of the book, it lists exactly how much of each substance is in it. For a supplement that is pretty rare. None of that "proprietary blend" stuff.I'm personally wondering how my intra shake will effect this. I'm hesitant to get rid of it because my workouts are very long and it gives me a little boost.Nevertheless, I bet CBL 2.0 will get more in depth with this topic. Also did you notice the pdf was called 'Volume 1"? That tells me there will be other issues.On the topic of "how long should I eat after the shake," I think a half hour or so would be good.
I'm sure I will end up trying it, but I am iffy about not having the intra-workout shake as well. Some workouts are fine, but then some of my workouts that are stupid high volume they intra-workout makes a massive difference. I guess in the end it would largely depend on goals.I did notice it was volume 1, I'm I knew he had talked about having multiple supplements, but that was early this year so I had nearly forgotten about it.
This supplement sounds pretty cool. Also if you checked out the label at the end of the book, it lists exactly how much of each substance is in it. For a supplement that is pretty rare. None of that "proprietary blend" stuff.I'm personally wondering how my intra shake will effect this. I'm hesitant to get rid of it because my workouts are very long and it gives me a little boost.Nevertheless, I bet CBL 2.0 will get more in depth with this topic. Also did you notice the pdf was called 'Volume 1"? That tells me there will be other issues.On the topic of "how long should I eat after the shake," I think a half hour or so would be good.
I'm sure I will end up trying it, but I am iffy about not having the intra-workout shake as well. Some workouts are fine, but then some of my workouts that are stupid high volume they intra-workout makes a massive difference. I guess in the end it would largely depend on goals.I did notice it was volume 1, I'm I knew he had talked about having multiple supplements, but that was early this year so I had nearly forgotten about it.
Yea I wish Kiefer would talk more about people that take training a bit more seriously than the "go in the gym for 45 minutes and get a pump" crowd. I know he did say that he recommends intra workout carbs for his Strongman clients that have 3 hour workouts. Since my workouts are generally 2.5 hours, I've just been following that advice. I guess he keeps a lot of that advice between him and his clients, which is understandable.
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