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OP, You mentioned CBL so I am going to give you the information straight from the book CBL1.0 in regards to protein intake and back loading. You look @ the chart and you pick a desired weight. Let's use 220lbs for you; Losing 20lbs of fat and gaining 5lbs of muscle seems a reasonable goal. Anyway, the chart says your intake should be 154- 275gms per day. The book specifically states, "To gain mass or lean down, use the high end of the protein scale...." That is 275gms a day. This is straight from Kiefer's mouth not something I pulled out of my ass to sound smart. For people have the reaction of, oh MY GOD that is too much protein, is ridiculous. It is not going to turn into glucose or give you GI problems @ the number. I am using CBL and it works. Shell out the $90 so you do not get 1/2 ass answers. In regards to your GI issues, I doubt is directly related to protein intake but your GI guy will give some educated advice on that. Take in more water usually helps gets things going. Good luck
Kiefer said the chart you are referring to needs revised. I agree with you that it isn't "too much" like some of the anti-high protein diet people say, but it isn't necessary to consume that much to gain muscle. I personally consume more protein relative to my bodyweight than the OP does. I used to consume almost as much as he does (250 g) and I only weighed 165 lbs at the time. Needless to say I was having some digestive issues. I nixed my protein down a bit to 200 g and my symptoms went away. I am not sure that that's what caused them to go away, but I am willing to bet since so many other people have said similar things. We are just throwing out a possibility. Maybe he personally can't handle that much.By the way I think everyone on this thread has read the book. I bought it the day it came out in December. One thing I will give you though, is that you did read his whole post and caught that he is a big guy. I think everyone else missed that he is 235 lbs.
Have listened to a couple pod casts and read several articles with Kiefer in regards to this. The protein number that he uses is pretty consistent, 1.3gm/lb, on the upper end. Seems like a conservative number that is pretty realistic. Please refer me to where he give a different number. This site represents the core of what Kiefer's research is all about. If laymen are going distribute information it should be consistent with the research. You mentioned that everyone in the thread read the book. Obviously you think that is relevant. Why? Does that qualify them to give out information? Let me paraphrase your comment, we missed the fact he was 236lbs.... The same people that read a couple lines and missed the most valuable piece of information to base protein requirements read a 200+ page book filled complicated data....Your a smart guy you get the point.
I second all recommendations to cut back on protein.Gary, just because the OP should technically be able to eat that much protein doesn't mean he actually will do well doing so.That's the real problem with those charts: they indicate the maximum that J. Random Tuffguy at XYZ lbs might theoretically do well to eat, provided he is also training regularly with heavy weights (because those upper maxes really get unnecessarily high if there's not enough need generated by lifestyle).The charts do not help you understand how YOU, individually, will feel and perform on a given level of protein and fat.You have to feel these things out and don't let anybody tell you that you're eating too much or too little IF you are doing well. If you're not doing well, getting a spread of advice from people who've gone through the same thing will do you better than trying to figure out what's "technically correct".
I second all recommendations to cut back on protein.Gary, just because the OP should technically be able to eat that much protein doesn't mean he actually will do well doing so.That's the real problem with those charts: they indicate the maximum that J. Random Tuffguy at XYZ lbs might theoretically do well to eat, provided he is also training regularly with heavy weights (because those upper maxes really get unnecessarily high if there's not enough need generated by lifestyle).The charts do not help you understand how YOU, individually, will feel and perform on a given level of protein and fat.You have to feel these things out and don't let anybody tell you that you're eating too much or too little IF you are doing well. If you're not doing well, getting a spread of advice from people who've gone through the same thing will do you better than trying to figure out what's "technically correct".
Naomi, could not agree with YOU more. You hit the nail on the head with this statement, "You have to feel these things out and don't let anybody tell you that you are eating too much or too little IF you are doing well." OP said "I've had good success in the past with hi protein...."The GI issues need to be addressed by a professional. It is that simple. The fact that OP has been on "high protein" diets in the past without issue would lead me to believe it is not the protein. Again, I am not qualified.Not sure if the J. Random Tuffguy comment was your attempt to stereotype me. Can assure you that is not me. I am a mediocre 50 y/o powerlifter that helps every one in the gym. I hate bad information and telling a 236 lb strength athlete that is on 5/3/1 that 270 is WAY too much and all he needs is 150gms is just bad info. Like YOU said "You have to feel things out......" We agree "don't let anyone tell you that you are eating too much or too little...." I am assuming that you include peoples thoughts that might be contrary to yours when you state that.
Hi there, I thought I would also chime in with my experiences. Before I did CNS I had been "Clean eating" for quite some time, but also having stomach issues. I thought something else was going on because my diet was very clean, however I found that even oatmeal(old fashioned or steel cut, no mater what brand) was causing alot of stomach acid and flatulence. This all went away instantly when I went on CNS, the carbs, no matter how clean and healthy were bothering my system.
I am the same way. Oats used to be a staple in my diet because I could grind them up in a shake for some quick easy carbs. It took me a while to realize it but when I cut out the oats I no longer experienced the GI problems that you talked about (stomach acid, bloating, gassy, etc) I am not sure what is in oats that caused that...maybe gluten?
Hi there, I thought I would also chime in with my experiences. Before I did CNS I had been "Clean eating" for quite some time, but also having stomach issues. I thought something else was going on because my diet was very clean, however I found that even oatmeal(old fashioned or steel cut, no mater what brand) was causing alot of stomach acid and flatulence. This all went away instantly when I went on CNS, the carbs, no matter how clean and healthy were bothering my system.
I am the same way. Oats used to be a staple in my diet because I could grind them up in a shake for some quick easy carbs. It took me a while to realize it but when I cut out the oats I no longer experienced the GI problems that you talked about (stomach acid, bloating, gassy, etc) I am not sure what is in oats that caused that...maybe gluten?
Gluten, or the wheat possibly. Also I know this happens to me when I took carbs directly after PWO I got horrible feeling. So by waiting a little after PWO to take in carbs I felt better.
Hi there, I thought I would also chime in with my experiences. Before I did CNS I had been "Clean eating" for quite some time, but also having stomach issues. I thought something else was going on because my diet was very clean, however I found that even oatmeal(old fashioned or steel cut, no mater what brand) was causing alot of stomach acid and flatulence. This all went away instantly when I went on CNS, the carbs, no matter how clean and healthy were bothering my system.
I am the same way. Oats used to be a staple in my diet because I could grind them up in a shake for some quick easy carbs. It took me a while to realize it but when I cut out the oats I no longer experienced the GI problems that you talked about (stomach acid, bloating, gassy, etc) I am not sure what is in oats that caused that...maybe gluten?
Oats certainly do have gluten and I have problems with them as well.
OP, You mentioned CBL so I am going to give you the information straight from the book CBL1.0 in regards to protein intake and back loading. You look @ the chart and you pick a desired weight. Let's use 220lbs for you; Losing 20lbs of fat and gaining 5lbs of muscle seems a reasonable goal. Anyway, the chart says your intake should be 154- 275gms per day. The book specifically states, "To gain mass or lean down, use the high end of the protein scale...." That is 275gms a day. This is straight from Kiefer's mouth not something I pulled out of my ass to sound smart. For people have the reaction of, oh MY GOD that is too much protein, is ridiculous. It is not going to turn into glucose or give you GI problems @ the number. I am using CBL and it works. Shell out the $90 so you do not get 1/2 ass answers. In regards to your GI issues, I doubt is directly related to protein intake but your GI guy will give some educated advice on that. Take in more water usually helps gets things going. Good luck
You call others morons for offering opinions and then you shell out 2 of your own (stress and water intake). Is it not plausible that 125g of protein from ON Whey and Egg White could be causing stomach distress?
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