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I do not want to write this to scare anyone, or indeed preach anything... however I need to state my comments for anyone reading thinking that 'Over-Training' is a myth.Being in the Military and a Combat Fitness Leader I have actually suffered from Overtraining (the actual, scientific definition of such an event).Let me put it in perspective. I have done over a week with no food and sleep, carrying heavy arse shit wearing armour, webbing and weapons yet was still not overtrained - so believe me when I say I understand how much the body can take...That being said, I have been over-trained (after my course learning to be a Combat Fitness Leader) and it took Months to recover from. It was the single worst period of my life. Walking was an extreme effort, all I wanted to do was sit and sleep. Horrendous. So I guess I just want to pass on that it can happen - and you need to understand your body and how far it can go. The way you do this is by pushing the boundries, but piece by piece and not in a giant rush. Push the boundry, let your body adjust, then make another push and see how you look-feel-and perform (to borrow Robb Wolf's expression).Just my 2 cents - take it or leave it.Peace Amigos.
I beg to differ, there is no military training that will ever compare with lifting. I would say lifting is a one of a kind deal, you lift after the results you want. Your limits are pushed in military training, its like an endless marathon without drinking water and very rough weather conditions, you are given tasks you should not be able to complete, you are prepared for something specific and you are put through a rough test. Shit is rough in real combat. There is no trial and redo after error in real life.1 out of 100 man make it through Special Ops training, I don't need to discuss any further information on what I know or how I know, but you can use your imagination. The other 99 are just pussies you cannot turn into men. Better yet, let me be a bit more respectful as I intend not to insult anyone, they are just not fit for it.You will never make a Jarhead out of a pussy. There is no way to even attempt this.I've seen them cry, call for mom, piss and shit their pants, pass out, etc on phase I.Most pussies don't even make it through Q Course. I don't even want to get to RS....Military training consists of survival the most. Your body is trained for survival in extreme situations. They do not compare to WEIGHT LIFTING. Military training is not "over training".You get to rest in the gym, you get to eat whatever the fuck you want, you get to deal with yourself in your own timely manner, you get to use all the pussy stuff, towels, water, cream and gloves for the soft hand boys. You get the point. There is Trial and ERROR in lifting, most continue to do this shit in ERROR. Get the fuck in the GYM and work your ass off for results. You will only achieve something you work hard for, you do pussy work you will get pussy results. How is this so hard to understand, he go kids, a job, whatever, noone gives a fuck, you will get the results you put work in for. Shit isn't gonna get done itself.
How did you reach that point? What kind of training and how frequent was it?I myself reached the point where I was burned out, and while I had to sleep 12 hours a day minimum, I could still train, though not at full intensity. I did not get weak as a kitten like most people report though, in fact my lifts did not go down at all, I could just not function in everyday activities.I'm not denying it exists, but I personally think it takes a tremendous amount of willpower and dedication to overtrain, because most people will reach a point where they are sore and not feeling too great, and they will skip the gym that day, go easy or whatever before they can do enough damage. Often times what people think is overtraining is just a lack of conditioning, hence why it's good to add a little bit at a time. Most people are sedentary as hell outside the gym, so I will never tell someone to train less if they have serious goals or just enjoy training. Why limit yourself?
Well said.Most people just don't have what it takes to reach their goals, and they use simple excuses to overcome their fears and failure.
Check this out.I squatted yesterday morning.Deadlifted yesterday night.I got a stupid Flu, I'm sick and I feel like shit.I got me some standing Strict Press this morning, none of that seated bullshit. I was able to rep my normal OHP work without bitching about my physical condition at the moment, and let me repeat, I have one of those stupid Miami FL colds which just fucks you up in and out. Can't breathe through my nose, got joint pains, etc.LIFT LIFT LIFT
Got a crazy arm day tonight.
You, sir, are a fucking warrior.What are your squat/dead sets looking like? And what type of supps/stims are you taking?
You, sir, are a fucking warrior.What are your squat/dead sets looking like? And what type of supps/stims are you taking?
Squat No smith machine, no belt, no bitch pad, no gloves.Barbell Squat (PR is 315 at the moment) I weight 205-209 135 x 15 reps bellow parallel. warm up. 135 x 12 reps bellow parallel. warm up.225 x 10 reps bellow parallel. My set225 x 10 reps bellow parallel. My set245 x 8 reps parallel, sometimes bellow.275 x 6 reps parallel.315 x 1 parallelHack Squat MachineI slap four 45LB plates on each side and rep it to failure bellow parallel, I go all the way down until the rack touches bottom. Then I add another 2 plates and repeat. Then add two more and repeat. :-XDeadlift (PR is 405 x 2 without locking 2nd rep, I guess 2nd rep does not count)135 x 10225 x 10225 x 10275 x 6315 x 6365 x 3405 x failure405 x failure I take Fish oil in Gel Pills from CVS (10 pills a day) OMEGA 3s I take Cuban Espresso Coffee in the morning with Coconut Oil (one whole cup of coffee)I take 5G of Creatine Mono hydrate post each one of my workouts.I take Lecuine in several manners per day.I eat like there is no tomorrow when I finally get into my kitchen at home.
How did you reach that point? What kind of training and how frequent was it?I myself reached the point where I was burned out, and while I had to sleep 12 hours a day minimum, I could still train, though not at full intensity. I did not get weak as a kitten like most people report though, in fact my lifts did not go down at all, I could just not function in everyday activities.I'm not denying it exists, but I personally think it takes a tremendous amount of willpower and dedication to overtrain, because most people will reach a point where they are sore and not feeling too great, and they will skip the gym that day, go easy or whatever before they can do enough damage. Often times what people think is overtraining is just a lack of conditioning, hence why it's good to add a little bit at a time. Most people are sedentary as hell outside the gym, so I will never tell someone to train less if they have serious goals or just enjoy training. Why limit yourself?
The reason I believe I reached over-training was simply the amount of volume. We were conducting PT Lessons (so 10 minutes warm-up, 30 minutes exercise, 10 minutes cool-down) back to back all day every day for four weeks - the intensity of each week increasing throughout the course until the final week consisted of 3 hours of Endurance PT (the name says it all) followed by 2 PT lessons. This was before lunch, then another 6 PT Lessons after lunch. It is a fairly common occurance on these sorts of courses. I also believe a contributing factor was a change in diet (I switched to 'Paleo') and was not getting enough carbohydrate. Additionally, you have to run everywhere and have limited times for meals so it was very difficult to consume the amount of nutrient needed to sustain the exercise you were doing. Plus, you never could eat too much because it would just be vomited back up again. I can remember the weekends just sleeping and playing video games... horrible times. But I am very glad for the experience. To answer your Q about willpower, you have little choice on such a course in the Army - and your mates are all going through the same thing. Plus, you are each being assessed on how to run a PT lesson so you do not want to stuff around and not 'put in' a guts effort or your mate being assessed will either fail or be marked down. Plus if you are caught slacking it just ends up worse off... Hope that answers your Qs.
I do not want to write this to scare anyone, or indeed preach anything... however I need to state my comments for anyone reading thinking that 'Over-Training' is a myth.Being in the Military and a Combat Fitness Leader I have actually suffered from Overtraining (the actual, scientific definition of such an event).Let me put it in perspective. I have done over a week with no food and sleep, carrying heavy arse shit wearing armour, webbing and weapons yet was still not overtrained - so believe me when I say I understand how much the body can take...That being said, I have been over-trained (after my course learning to be a Combat Fitness Leader) and it took Months to recover from. It was the single worst period of my life. Walking was an extreme effort, all I wanted to do was sit and sleep. Horrendous. So I guess I just want to pass on that it can happen - and you need to understand your body and how far it can go. The way you do this is by pushing the boundries, but piece by piece and not in a giant rush. Push the boundry, let your body adjust, then make another push and see how you look-feel-and perform (to borrow Robb Wolf's expression).Just my 2 cents - take it or leave it.Peace Amigos.
I beg to differ, there is no military training that will ever compare with lifting. I would say lifting is a one of a kind deal, you lift after the results you want. Your limits are pushed in military training, its like an endless marathon without drinking water and very rough weather conditions, you are given tasks you should not be able to complete, you are prepared for something specific and you are put through a rough test. Shit is rough in real combat. There is no trial and redo after error in real life.1 out of 100 man make it through Special Ops training, I don't need to discuss any further information on what I know or how I know, but you can use your imagination. The other 99 are just pussies you cannot turn into men. Better yet, let me be a bit more respectful as I intend not to insult anyone, they are just not fit for it.You will never make a Jarhead out of a pussy. There is no way to even attempt this.I've seen them cry, call for mom, piss and shit their pants, pass out, etc on phase I.Most pussies don't even make it through Q Course. I don't even want to get to RS....Military training consists of survival the most. Your body is trained for survival in extreme situations. They do not compare to WEIGHT LIFTING. Military training is not "over training".You get to rest in the gym, you get to eat whatever the fuck you want, you get to deal with yourself in your own timely manner, you get to use all the pussy stuff, towels, water, cream and gloves for the soft hand boys. You get the point. There is Trial and ERROR in lifting, most continue to do this shit in ERROR. Get the fuck in the GYM and work your ass off for results. You will only achieve something you work hard for, you do pussy work you will get pussy results. How is this so hard to understand, he go kids, a job, whatever, noone gives a fuck, you will get the results you put work in for. Shit isn't gonna get done itself.
Not denying any of your statements ipcheck - just wanted to make sure people reading this interesting thread are aware that over-training can happen - will it happen to them? Probably not - do most people train enough to warrant being concerned about overtraining? Not in my opinion. I completely agree that it would be extremely difficult to over-train from just lifting. However, I would hate to see some young gun go out there and try everything (AKA: Try to be BatMan) and suffer. My main thing is push the boundaries, adjust/adapt/overcome, then make another push. There are scenarios that are different (such as training for selection and participating in selection course) however they are often not sustainable for any lengthy duration. Periodisation and all that.Oh, and I work with a fair few of the guys you are talking about so I know what you mean mate.Food for thought.P.S. - I never said Military Training was "over-training"
Sure as hell does, this only confirms what I was saying. It takes a ton to overtrain, and in your case you were forced to push yourself and the lack of carbs probably didn't help, but I think this would not apply to someone who has a desk job and goes to the gym twice a day, unless the person does not eat enough and is hell bent on killing themselves every time they step into the gym.Kudos for recovering from that horrific experience, though. I definitely also had a burnout from lifting and boxing 3 hours a day on about 4 hours of sleep, dealing with family, work and school issues. I was downing coffee by the gallon and popping diet pills like they were candy on top of partying excessively when I got the chance. To top things off, I ate very little, yet I kept this pace for about 8 weeks before I collapsed. I'm not saying it cannot happen, I'm just saying it takes exceptional circumstances.
Sure as hell does, this only confirms what I was saying. It takes a ton to overtrain, and in your case you were forced to push yourself and the lack of carbs probably didn't help, but I think this would not apply to someone who has a desk job and goes to the gym twice a day, unless the person does not eat enough and is hell bent on killing themselves every time they step into the gym.Kudos for recovering from that horrific experience, though. I definitely also had a burnout from lifting and boxing 3 hours a day on about 4 hours of sleep, dealing with family, work and school issues. I was downing coffee by the gallon and popping diet pills like they were candy on top of partying excessively when I got the chance. To top things off, I ate very little, yet I kept this pace for about 8 weeks before I collapsed. I'm not saying it cannot happen, I'm just saying it takes exceptional circumstances.
Exactly right mate. It takes a huge amount to overtrain... but as you mentioned, other factors are often at play which people may not consider when on the verge. Well done to notice that in your life and correct yourself - it is easy to get stove-piped into doing what you think is 'right' and it can take a lot to step back and be objective about what you are doing.
Some men are not conditioned for certain training. Your body isn't just ready for anything you throw at it, you need to condition yourself for anything non ordinary.Some people just go the gym to say they do and to waste their time.There is a reason I visit the gym, I want to be strong, I want to look good, I want to be healthy. I like to be different, I will not settle for normal. Most people don't understand that their body adapts to a certain thing they do. There are many things to learn in this sport, and they are very specific to each person.Many don't know their lifestyle, work, family, stress, and other things will control weather they are successful or not.The mindset is the most important, if your mind isn't there, neither are you.To some, over training can come very easy, some others don't get enough.But, you must push yourself beyond every single time, you must believe in yourself, you must chase what you want, if it requires extra work you've gotta put it in. Complaining and blaming others is not going to work, crying about something you don't like nor understand is not going to clear things up for you.You want big muscles? Lift heavy weights, lift lots of heavy weights, do it with frequency and high intensity.Don't scroll through FACEBOOK nor Instagram between your sets. Don't day dream between your sets. Go to the gym and stay in the gym. Work your ass of. Stop complaining. Bit off topic but I will share.I go to a commercial gym, it doesn't help much because 90% of people in there are either lost or working backwards towards their goals.I will not encourage anyone to try and lift shit they can't lift period, you need to work your ass up, no you can't increase your bench PR by 50lbs at once, its not going to happen.Last night I went in for an "Arm Night", I stood by a flat bench since I use the barbell for serious curls and then lay down right after for close grip pressing. Next to me there were two individuals. They had barely any muscle, thin, weak looking pom poms.They had 315 on the bench, one was attempting to press the 315 and the other attempting to pull the 315 up. Neither of them could do the move, they were stuck with the bar half way. I had to literally come and help them rack the fucking bar. I asked the fucking guy, can you rep 225 x 10? His friend said no he needs a spot to even get 1 rep of 225. What the fuck are you doing with 315 on the bench? Are you stupid? They were clueless and speechless. I thought let me give these fudge packers some advice, but I just walked back to my bench.I cannot bench 315 yet, I don't consider a rep unless you do the rep. If you have a spot, then you didn't do the rep. Therefor I have not pushed 315 on my bench yet. I used to in high school but those days are gone. Why the fuck would I slap 315 on the bench if I'm not comfortable with 275 for reps.This was not enough, when they were done there, they walked over to the squat rack. Loaded 225 on the barbell and they would initiate a 2 inch movement of a squat, then push back up. Approximately two inches of movement with the bar on their shoulders. One guy behind the other it just looked weird, this was not enough, they added plates and plates to 405. I watched as they could not unrack the weight period. This shit happens every day at every gym.
Some people just go the gym to say they do and to waste their time.
This can't be said enough.So many people go the gym, do a couple curls and maybe bench sporadically through the week all for the sake of being able to say "I work out".
Some people just go the gym to say they do and to waste their time.
This can't be said enough.So many people go the gym, do a couple curls and maybe bench sporadically through the week all for the sake of being able to say "I work out".
This is nearly my whole gym.
Man I'm hungry. 😮
Some people just go the gym to say they do and to waste their time.
This can't be said enough.So many people go the gym, do a couple curls and maybe bench sporadically through the week all for the sake of being able to say "I work out".
This is nearly my whole gym.
i love that at my gym that way they can stay the fuck off MY squat rack
Some people just go the gym to say they do and to waste their time.
This can't be said enough.So many people go the gym, do a couple curls and maybe bench sporadically through the week all for the sake of being able to say "I work out".
This is nearly my whole gym.
i love that at my gym that way they can stay the fuck off MY squat rack
They curl at the squat rack.They do shoulder raises at the squat rack.They do stand around and chat at the squat rack.And more, at the squat rack.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
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