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Hi Y'all,My brother has Type 1 Diabetes and is wondering if he can CBL or carb nite? I am wondering if anyone on here has a few links/articles or podcasts from Kiefer that you can send me regarding Type 1 Diabetes. He is 19 years old and very athletic/muscular built. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you so much. Happy 2015! ;D
No one here is a doctor. If he asked his doctor about this, I cannot imagine that his doctor would recommend CBL or CN. However, I know there has to be some way to get ahold of Dr. Rocky (from the podcasts), who may say otherwise or may be able to provide more specifics on the situation.A more straight ketogenic approach could serve him and his blood sugar quite well, depending on his goals. Right now I am reading The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance by Phinney & Volek. It's a smaller book -- and only around $8-9 -- if he is interested in reading what THEY have to say about ketogenic athletes. They are most certainly considered experts on the matter.My only other thought is this: I am not diagnosed diabetic. But I have been monitoring my blood glucose lately. And I can tell you that a CN throws it crazy high, and it takes several days to get back to what I would consider a good ULC baseline for me. I was doing this too often, and I don't think this is a healthy place (for me) to be, so for now I am going back to a strict ketogenic diet. I guess it depends on what is most important to your brother.
I know Kiefer has said that type 1 diabetics have used CNS and CBL. The GLUT4 translocation, the central tenant of CBL, was discovered in research that was done on diabetics. Some type 1 diabetics were able to consume carbs without insulin since GLUT4 is not insulin dependent.I'm sure your brother knows how to manage his insulin blood sugar levels. I think with patience he could make CBL work for him.
My only other thought is this: I am not diagnosed diabetic. But I have been monitoring my blood glucose lately. And I can tell you that a CN throws it crazy high, and it takes several days to get back to what I would consider a good ULC baseline for me. I was doing this too often, and I don't think this is a healthy place (for me) to be, so for now I am going back to a strict ketogenic diet. I guess it depends on what is most important to your brother.
Curious....I was relistening to Podcast #7 the other day....Q&A with Kiefer and Dr. Rocky. At the time of that podcast, he was wearing a continuous glucose monitoring device. He said when he would eat starchy and clean carbs earlier in CN vs junky ones, it would only take his fasting blood glucose a few days to get back to normal numbers.....vs eating junkier carbs and it taking all week for it to get back. Kiefer said it is because liver glycogen is used and sends the glucose back out into the bloodstream vs when the glycogen is in the muscles (put there by the clean/starchy carbs), it can NOT come back out and get into the bloodstream. Go take a listen. It starts with a question around the 30-33min mark about fructose (which you know sucrose is part fructose). I had to listen and keep backing up and listening again JUST to make sure I was digesting the science and what they were saying. It has definitely made me decide to change my CNs a bit like I had been doing a few weeks prior to Christmas anyway.
I know Kiefer has said that type 1 diabetics have used CNS and CBL. The GLUT4 translocation, the central tenant of CBL, was discovered in research that was done on diabetics. Some type 1 diabetics were able to consume carbs without insulin since GLUT4 is not insulin dependent.I'm sure your brother knows how to manage his insulin blood sugar levels. I think with patience he could make CBL work for him.
I have a friend who is Type 1 doing this. She says it is working well for her. I don't know any other details though.
I would think that CBL would be the only option. For a type 1 his body would clear his blood of sugars through TGLUT but then he would go hypoglycemic without replenishment, so he would need the backload post workout. The only danger would be the amount. Too little and he goes hypo, too much and he goes hyper and then you could possibly see ketoacidosis. I have read that Atkins did work like this but not with athletes and that his nurse at his office was type 1 and she was insulin free using a maintenance dose of carbs of 80g per day spread out.
I know Kiefer has said that type 1 diabetics have used CNS and CBL. The GLUT4 translocation, the central tenant of CBL, was discovered in research that was done on diabetics. Some type 1 diabetics were able to consume carbs without insulin since GLUT4 is not insulin dependent.I'm sure your brother knows how to manage his insulin blood sugar levels. I think with patience he could make CBL work for him.
So I guess in theory CBL may be optimal for type 1 diabetics since they do not need to take as much insulin due to GLUT4 translocation?
I know Kiefer has said that type 1 diabetics have used CNS and CBL. The GLUT4 translocation, the central tenant of CBL, was discovered in research that was done on diabetics. Some type 1 diabetics were able to consume carbs without insulin since GLUT4 is not insulin dependent.I'm sure your brother knows how to manage his insulin blood sugar levels. I think with patience he could make CBL work for him.
So I guess in theory CBL may be optimal for type 1 diabetics since they do not need to take as much insulin due to GLUT4 translocation?
Correct. However, Kiefer said many type 1 diabetics have been successful with Carb Nite as well.
I know Kiefer has said that type 1 diabetics have used CNS and CBL. The GLUT4 translocation, the central tenant of CBL, was discovered in research that was done on diabetics. Some type 1 diabetics were able to consume carbs without insulin since GLUT4 is not insulin dependent.I'm sure your brother knows how to manage his insulin blood sugar levels. I think with patience he could make CBL work for him.
So I guess in theory CBL may be optimal for type 1 diabetics since they do not need to take as much insulin due to GLUT4 translocation?
Correct. However, Kiefer said many type 1 diabetics have been successful with Carb Nite as well.
Thank you so much. Do you remember where you heard Kiefer say that? Maybe a podcast # or article that you can direct me to..
I know Kiefer has said that type 1 diabetics have used CNS and CBL. The GLUT4 translocation, the central tenant of CBL, was discovered in research that was done on diabetics. Some type 1 diabetics were able to consume carbs without insulin since GLUT4 is not insulin dependent.I'm sure your brother knows how to manage his insulin blood sugar levels. I think with patience he could make CBL work for him.
So I guess in theory CBL may be optimal for type 1 diabetics since they do not need to take as much insulin due to GLUT4 translocation?
Correct. However, Kiefer said many type 1 diabetics have been successful with Carb Nite as well.
Thank you so much. Do you remember where you heard Kiefer say that? Maybe a podcast # or article that you can direct me to..
He's said it in a few podcasts actually. It's never been a major topic of discussion though. I'm sorry I can't direct you to any of them.
Maybe the one where they discuss Dr. Rocky's practice? I'd listen to that one….#23 Clinical Applications…I think that is the one.I think they TOUCHED on the subject a little in the lastest one "Year End Wrap up" #48...at the beginning maybe? Can't remember for sure.
I would be shocked if any type 1 could to carb nite successfully. If my son doesn't have carbs of some kind at least every 4 or 5 hours he'd go hypo for sure. The only way I could see it working would be with small feeds throughout the day. Believe me, just walking around a grocery store for an hour will drop blood sugars.
Penny, thanks for the info. I have listened to all of them, but I will make a note to go back and listen to that one when I am ready to do carbs again. 😉
I would be shocked if any type 1 could to carb nite successfully. If my son doesn't have carbs of some kind at least every 4 or 5 hours he'd go hypo for sure. The only way I could see it working would be with small feeds throughout the day. Believe me, just walking around a grocery store for an hour will drop blood sugars.
http://www.ijcasereportsandimages.com/archive/videos/provisional_articles/2014-10/09_Z01_2014070118_CR_prov.pdfThere's actually plenty of info on the subject RB.
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