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I high disagree with saying you have to keep your carbs within a specific window.Providing it's at night, it doesn't matter much if he both decently controlling calories and if his goal is to gain weight. I have backloaded from 6-12 multiple times and lost fat while doing it. I simply controlled that carbs I ate and didn't turn it into a carb nite.
There could be factors that were in your regiment that allowed this somehow. But from what I have read what is happening here does not. Theres is simply no way, based on how CBL is explained to work (per Keifer's book, blogs, webcasts, etc.) that your still going to be burning fat for fuel after eating cereal, burgers, fries, ice cream, etc, for 6 hours after a workout, on a daily basis. Additionally you are saying that you kept yours controlled. Meaning you knew how much you were taking in. This implies you knew your limits, and weren't just shoving your face trying to bulk up, which again probably allowed you to get away with this, esp if you kept all the carbs later in your last 4 hours or so full of fat. Which kept fats flowing into the blood, allowing you to keep burning. Makes since, though i don't know how you were able to positively say you were burning fat the whole time. Im just saying that to keep your body in a optimal fat burning state, you should follow the guidelines closely. Cuddos for being able to get away with that long of a window. But again you said it was controlled, so for what ever reason you wanted to stretch your carbs out over a longer window. To dumb it down this is what you did 1Being a carb 2Being Fat (1+1+1+12+12+12) it looks like what is happening here is (1+1+1122+11122+1122). Not trying to argue, but most definitely trying to discuss.
There could be factors that were in your regiment that allowed this somehow. But from what I have read what is happening here does not. Theres is simply no way, based on how CBL is explained to work (per Keifer's book, blogs, webcasts, etc.) that your still going to be burning fat for fuel after eating cereal, burgers, fries, ice cream, etc, for 6 hours after a workout, on a daily basis. Additionally you are saying that you kept yours controlled. Meaning you knew how much you were taking in. This implies you knew your limits, and weren't just shoving your face trying to bulk up, which again probably allowed you to get away with this, esp if you kept all the carbs later in your last 4 hours or so full of fat. Which kept fats flowing into the blood, allowing you to keep burning. Makes since, though i don't know how you were able to positively say you were burning fat the whole time. Im just saying that to keep your body in a optimal fat burning state, you should follow the guidelines closely. Cuddos for being able to get away with that long of a window. But again you said it was controlled, so for what ever reason you wanted to stretch your carbs out over a longer window. To dumb it down this is what you did 1Being a carb 2Being Fat (1+1+1+12+12+12) it looks like what is happening here is (1+1+1122+11122+1122). Not trying to argue, but most definitely trying to discuss.
For the record, I didn't say I was burning fat during that time.I said I lost fat while doing that. Big difference.Anyway, it does come down to being able to control yourself and knowing what you need and can handle, but if he still isn't gaining weight, then he still isn't under his limit.Though at the point he is at, I'd actually eat more fat in the ULC part of the day. I think most people underestimate eating in the first half of the day while they are trying to gain weight. I have 2 "meals" (one is a ULC PWO) during that ULC part of the day and go into a backload with 40-50g of fat and 50-70g of protein most of the time. (I'm trying to gain mass currently)
Understood, I took reference of you saying you lost fat, as you were burning fat. Which is the only way to loose fat…. During a BL you should still be burning fat, and all of the carbs are being used to restore glycogen, and build mass.
Understood, I took reference of you saying you lost fat, as you were burning fat. Which is the only way to loose fat.... During a BL you should still be burning fat, and all of the carbs are being used to restore glycogen, and build mass.
isnt that hard to squeeze all those carbs in that 2 hours window? atm i try to consume 400-500 and during ulc part of the day my fat is quite high(200gm)
My understanding is that your backloads are periods in which you are replenishing glycogen stores in anticipation of your next workout. They should be kept relative to your training volume. In other words, you should be controlling these in such away that you can have optimal energy for your training. They are not an excuse to eat with reckless abandon.Your fat intake is going to have the largest influence when looking to add mass. For this reason, if you are trying to add mass - Eat more ULC meals! That should have a two-fold effect. 1, You are getting more fat into your diet which is what you want when bulking up and 2, they are far, far more satiating than your carb meals. If hunger has been an issue for you this should definitely help.
My understanding is that your backloads are periods in which you are replenishing glycogen stores in anticipation of your next workout. They should be kept relative to your training volume. In other words, you should be controlling these in such away that you can have optimal energy for your training. They are not an excuse to eat with reckless abandon.Your fat intake is going to have the largest influence when looking to add mass. For this reason, if you are trying to add mass - Eat more ULC meals! That should have a two-fold effect. 1, You are getting more fat into your diet which is what you want when bulking up and 2, they are far, far more satiating than your carb meals. If hunger has been an issue for you this should definitely help.
Can I consume a leucine/hydrolysate shake with last ulc meal if I'm eating?
Sorta defeats the purpose. You want your insulin levels to come back down after the backload before you rest. A shake like that is just going to send them back up.
Sorta defeats the purpose. You want your insulin levels to come back down after the backload before you rest. A shake like that is just going to send them back up.
Cool. I will try to load upto 300 gms tonight and see how I feel.
I see people say that 4-500 carbs are hard to eat all the time… I think there must be some mis understanding to how many carbs are in certain foods. Two decent size cookies have about 100 alone. Who cant eat 2 cookies, 2 cups of rice and a burger? thats ranging right around 300 right there…
I see people say that 4-500 carbs are hard to eat all the time... I think there must be some mis understanding to how many carbs are in certain foods. Two decent size cookies have about 100 alone. Who cant eat 2 cookies, 2 cups of rice and a burger? thats ranging right around 300 right there...
Hard to get those 500gms from clean food like rice/potatoes
My last backload was 90 minutes long, Dextrose Shake, Grass Fed Burger on Fresh Baked Bread, Baked Potato, 1 Pint of Rice w/7 egg whites, a fresh baked cookie, and a very small (literally 1/4th the size of a dollar bill.) of Ice Cream Cake. All besides the Ice Cream I consider “clean” because they are made of wholesome ingredients. Thats 300g of carbs. And I most certainly could have ate more lol. Not everyone has the same appetite, but I find i can kill carbs fast…
Same here, it's just good that we know when to call it a day. Otherwise I would have no trouble stomaching 1000g carbs.Anyone who is using potatoes as their main carb source would have a hard time though, they are EXTREMELY satiating.
I love me some baked russet potatoes! But yea carb wise 1 tater has only about 25, so that as your only source you would have a plate full! haha, cut them into fries and I could easily slam an entire BL of just those though!
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