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My advice to you, even though I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to actually doing the protocol right, would be to wait before coming to conclusions. Guys that are naturally bigger will probably feel just fine in the morning, whereas for some of us it takes longer to assess the effects of the back-load, at least visually. shaerow, you have a good plan there.I may be an extreme case because for a guy my size I can put away extreme amounts of food which keeps my belly distended for a good part of the next day, going from a very visible 8-pack to looking pregnant in a short amount of time. For the opposite to happen, it usually only takes a day unless I do two back-loads in a row. You can shorten the amount of time it takes by doing vigorous activity and sweating it out, but I find doing a ULC day or two is the best way.By the way, 550 g is in no way excessive if you are an experienced/relatively lean trainee. I think some people have a perception problem when it comes to amounts. Play around with different tastes/textures, see what's easiest to put down. Last week I had a rough time finishing a box of comically huge cinnamon rolls after a box of turnovers and a half-gallon of ice cream on top of a pretty large dinner. I could have gone for chocolate or something else after that though 😛 That took me a good 60 minutes.
Thanks, and I feel I'm a pretty big guy although according to Naomi, I can gain 30 more lbs muscle for my age (205, originally 199, creatine added a lot of water weight when I reintroduced it plus I hadn't really had full glycogen levels (empty) for about 10 months... 13% body fat). I'll try gluten free for my next backload and see what happens too, and I'm thinking the benefits just haven't shown yet. I'll let all of you know
My opinion after few days:Don't mind chocolate, don't mind any fats, just EAT A LOT of pastries / ice creams etc. IMO You're doing too much thinking about what to backload with.From these few days since the topic started: the more junk I pound in, the more weight I loose and more shredded I get. Can't really say how it implies to my str. gains, but we'll see.Cheers!
Plus, even Kiefer says, "don't eat like a fat kid" and limit carbs pending on how you feel- if soft- 1 carb meal (100-200 g carb), if feeling good/firm do what you've been doing or carb meal w/ dessert (~300 g carb), or if deprived/exhausted get a lot in
That was in reference to morning weight training and what to do for that afternoon, not normal back-loading. Just to be clear.
Plus, even Kiefer says, "don't eat like a fat kid" and limit carbs pending on how you feel- if soft- 1 carb meal (100-200 g carb), if feeling good/firm do what you've been doing or carb meal w/ dessert (~300 g carb), or if deprived/exhausted get a lot in
That was in reference to morning weight training and what to do for that afternoon, not normal back-loading. Just to be clear.
lol. Why does he only give this for workouts in the morning ? The idea of cbl is mostly train in the evening.Do you know any about workouts in the evening and how man carbs than ?I'm very incertain about the potion of carbs in the backload. My workouts are always in the evening ( about 5pm ). Actually I do the Preparing Phase to look on the table about the carbs but i dont think it can give me a detailed directionany tips ?I'm on preparing phase day 2 ( damn :'( 8 days to go ) 😀
Why would the chart that kiefer put in the book specifically for that purpose not be useful? Do the prep-phase look at weight lost and go from there.
Then that's probably what was clearly wrong is that I did a morning workout and a heavy backload later that night, when I wouldn't have any benefits of tGLUT activation. So, If I do a nighttime workout, I'll try it again.
^^^Working off of that, any of you other guys with success from bigger backloads over 12% or are you all fairly lean?
I'm around 14% at 260lb. Larger backloads have always resulted in better progress for me.
If your last workout of the week falls on a friday are you still backloading with lots of carbs?
Then that's probably what was clearly wrong is that I did a morning workout and a heavy backload later that night, when I wouldn't have any benefits of tGLUT activation. So, If I do a nighttime workout, I'll try it again.
I am doing this and it works great anyway.
My opinion after few days:Don't mind chocolate, don't mind any fats, just EAT A LOT of pastries / ice creams etc. IMO You're doing too much thinking about what to backload with.From these few days since the topic started: the more junk I pound in, the more weight I loose and more shredded I get. Can't really say how it implies to my str. gains, but we'll see.Cheers!
I agree!My last Backload 2 days ago was close to 700g carbs, about 5200kcals. No training yesterday, today i was weighting 100grams more than 2 days ago, however I havent been to the toilet in 2 days (gross if you think about the chocolate pudding and icecream thats sitting in my stomach, lol), so I guess i probably lost weight again. Todays backload was 2 huge BBQ Chicken Pizzas, half a gallon of ice cream and some more chicken breast. 5200 kcals again, but only 625g carbs today. Tomorrow I'll work out and have a backload thats even a little bigger, then I'll see if that makes me lose weight over the non-training day (Sunday) again. As I said, I'm gonna have only very intense backloads (>600g carbs) for the next week or even longer and I'm gonna see how that changes my weight.I actually looked kind of small and "edgy" today, very defined obliques etc, but still a little bloat around the midsection (even though non-training day yesterday. bloat is probably related to the toilet-issue, lol)Edit: Make that 675g carbs today, i just had some more ice cream 🙂
I'll try it again tomorrow, however I'll try working out at night… It's going to be a late workout unfortunately (~7:15-8/8:15) b/c of work unless weather cancels it. But I'll binge considering I'm pretty depleted as of now of glycogen- did HIIT the past 2 days, and ULC after my morning lift on Wednesday.
Yo Jizzmo (awesome name btw) make sure you're drinking enough water. With all those carbs your consuming your body will store a lot more water, and to avoid dehydration your body may be drawing the water from your digestive tract, which could be the cause of your slow transit time. Make sure you're getting AT LEAST 1/2 your weight, in lbs., in ounces of water a day.
Yo Jizzmo (awesome name btw) make sure you're drinking enough water. With all those carbs your consuming your body will store a lot more water, and to avoid dehydration your body may be drawing the water from your digestive tract, which could be the cause of your slow transit time. Make sure you're getting AT LEAST 1/2 your weight, in lbs., in ounces of water a day.
That could be the culprit! If it wasnt for pepsi light i'd barely get in a quarter gallon of water a day... I usually drink maybe 50oz of pepsi light/max during my backloads but only very little during the day. I just cant drink water except for while working out, i dont know.Ill up my fluid intake and see how it goes, thanks!
Yo Jizzmo (awesome name btw) make sure you're drinking enough water. With all those carbs your consuming your body will store a lot more water, and to avoid dehydration your body may be drawing the water from your digestive tract, which could be the cause of your slow transit time. Make sure you're getting AT LEAST 1/2 your weight, in lbs., in ounces of water a day.
That could be the culprit! If it wasnt for pepsi light i'd barely get in a quarter gallon of water a day... I usually drink maybe 50oz of pepsi light/max during my backloads but only very little during the day. I just cant drink water except for while working out, i dont know.Ill up my fluid intake and see how it goes, thanks!
I had this exact same problem. I upped my water intake and... dropped a deuce or three!
I had this exact same problem. I upped my water intake and... dropped a deuce or three!
Thanks for this picture on my mind, lol!
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