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Anyone on here doing large back-loads the nights before AM fasted training?I'm honestly a little scared to back-load if I haven't trained that day, especially to that degree :-Also I have boxing from 730-830 that same evening, is that a problem? The only reason I ask is because I saw it stated somewhere else that long distance cardio actually does the opposite of what we want weight training to do for CBL purposes, IIRC.
I did last week. Somewhere around 600 carbs.
Hey, sorry, but I would like to know, so I'll again ask, when exactly is the best time after a (afternoon) lift to intake carbs from backloading to manipulate tGlut to its fullest extent?
… I don't think I'm going to do very big backloads anymore- here's Kiefer's input, I'm going to follow it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLitmnzsDgs (start at 13:07)Regardless, please neglect my last question
... I don't think I'm going to do very big backloads anymore- here's Kiefer's input, I'm going to follow it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLitmnzsDgs (start at 13:07)Regardless, please neglect my last question
I have to ask...in a post about why big backloads work, are you saying your not going to do them? They work for A LOT of people if you are doing something different and just wanted to state it then there are other places. Im going to have another brownie to hit 650 for the night
... I don't think I'm going to do very big backloads anymore- here's Kiefer's input, I'm going to follow it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLitmnzsDgs (start at 13:07)Regardless, please neglect my last question
I have to ask...in a post about why big backloads work, are you saying your not going to do them? They work for A LOT of people if you are doing something different and just wanted to state it then there are other places. Im going to have another brownie to hit 650 for the night
They really haven't worked for me. At least from what I notice, I feel I've actually gained fat/ gotten softer, and I'm doing everything I'm supposed to... even when intensely exercising practically everyday (lots from HIIT as well, i.e. 2 days/week). Maybe if you go without a carb for 3 days, after that, sure, but that's more similar to carb nite. I don't really think you need as many carbs as a refeed, which in all honesty it is when eating that much. If it works for anyone else, go ahead. In fact, I should restate, I won't do it IF I'm backloading within 2 days. But after 2 ULC days of HIIT, sure. I think though, that the body doesn't necessarily need as many carbs one night if there's a backload the night before, etc.
Do you do HIIT just so you can backload 2 days later?
Well, I am very cautious to this stuff still, I used to be very fat 2 years ago and have a fear relating to regaining/yoyoing back to that, especially after countless hours at the gym and used to have to worry all the damn time about what I ate. And I should have restated, sorry pshannon. I'd do a backload of that proportion equivalent to a refeed if I go ULC starting 3 days (after a morning lift on my first "ULC" day) prior to one of my most intense/heavy lifts, which would target a big muscle group or groups. For that definitely, because I wouldn't want my thyroid hormones and other hormones to crash and backfire, plus the carbs would go to help build strength in a large group of muscles, instead of something like the arms (small muscles which could only absorb so much). However, for backloads w/ less or no ULC days prior, I'd go on a moderate backload- about 300 g. I'd figure the body would recognize the insulin presence and keep secreting lipolytic hormones, since a refeed wouldn't be necessary as the body would determine that it is not starving (leptin would be the indicator in this matter)
In fact, the “weight gain” could be and probably is mental considering the fear. I'll weigh myself tomorrow for the first time in about 2 weeks, see where I'm at
This is my first night back loading but from all the reading I have done I some times question just how hard some people are lifting. Kiefer says resistance training is a must in order for this to work but doing a HIIT session and busting out some curls is not what I personally consider resistance training. I go by Mark Bell's advice where during a max effort workout if on at least two reps of your workout they don't feel like life changing events, then your not lifting hard enough. Kill it in the gym and kill it in the kitchen. Now I'm going to go and cross my fingers I don't get fat from this lmao.
This is my first night back loading but from all the reading I have done I some times question just how hard some people are lifting. Kiefer says resistance training is a must in order for this to work but doing a HIIT session and busting out some curls is not what I personally consider resistance training. I go by Mark Bell's advice where during a max effort workout if on at least two reps of your workout they don't feel like life changing events, then your not lifting hard enough. Kill it in the gym and kill it in the kitchen. Now I'm going to go and cross my fingers I don't get fat from this lmao.
I do make sure I lift heavy, though- I used to do 3 hours of straight lifting with no breaks (not even a minute in between sets, I used to always super-set and I still do super-set, however not the 3 hours 😛 , plus I used to only have carbs for my post workout shake w/o CBL), and I NEVER use HIIT to backload (I also never backload on an HIIT day). Ever. In fact I just use it to release adrenaline and norepinephrine (for lipolysis), increase leptin sensitivity and insulin sensitivity (muscle, not fat targeted), and deplete glycogen so there's no carbs for the body to use on the ultra low carb days/portions of the day, and make my next backloads more based on refueling/building muscle, not for fat gain.... On a side note, welcome, and have fun backloading 😀
This is my first night back loading but from all the reading I have done I some times question just how hard some people are lifting. Kiefer says resistance training is a must in order for this to work but doing a HIIT session and busting out some curls is not what I personally consider resistance training. I go by Mark Bell's advice where during a max effort workout if on at least two reps of your workout they don't feel like life changing events, then your not lifting hard enough. Kill it in the gym and kill it in the kitchen. Now I'm going to go and cross my fingers I don't get fat from this lmao.
I do make sure I lift heavy, though- I used to do 3 hours of straight lifting with no breaks (not even a minute in between sets, I used to always super-set and I still do super-set, however not the 3 hours 😛 , plus I used to only have carbs for my post workout shake w/o CBL), and I NEVER use HIIT to backload (I also never backload on an HIIT day). Ever. In fact I just use it to release adrenaline and norepinephrine (for lipolysis), increase leptin sensitivity and insulin sensitivity (muscle, not fat targeted), and deplete glycogen so there's no carbs for the body to use on the ultra low carb days/portions of the day, and make my next backloads more based on refueling/building muscle, not for fat gain.... On a side note, welcome, and have fun backloading 😀
it really seems like you know a lot of facts, but did you ever get any blood work done? Training that long and that hard has a very negative effect on your body. Do you have a lot of energy during the day, or only when your exercise? Even with the use of stimulants? Just trying to help, call me out if you think I'm being a dick. Not my intention
This is my first night back loading but from all the reading I have done I some times question just how hard some people are lifting. Kiefer says resistance training is a must in order for this to work but doing a HIIT session and busting out some curls is not what I personally consider resistance training. I go by Mark Bell's advice where during a max effort workout if on at least two reps of your workout they don't feel like life changing events, then your not lifting hard enough. Kill it in the gym and kill it in the kitchen. Now I'm going to go and cross my fingers I don't get fat from this lmao.
I do make sure I lift heavy, though- I used to do 3 hours of straight lifting with no breaks (not even a minute in between sets, I used to always super-set and I still do super-set, however not the 3 hours 😛 , plus I used to only have carbs for my post workout shake w/o CBL), and I NEVER use HIIT to backload (I also never backload on an HIIT day). Ever. In fact I just use it to release adrenaline and norepinephrine (for lipolysis), increase leptin sensitivity and insulin sensitivity (muscle, not fat targeted), and deplete glycogen so there's no carbs for the body to use on the ultra low carb days/portions of the day, and make my next backloads more based on refueling/building muscle, not for fat gain.... On a side note, welcome, and have fun backloading 😀
it really seems like you know a lot of facts, but did you ever get any blood work done? Training that long and that hard has a very negative effect on your body. Do you have a lot of energy during the day, or only when your exercise? Even with the use of stimulants? Just trying to help, call me out if you think I'm being a dick. Not my intention
No, no, I know, haha, don't worry, I'm trying to get as much help possible. I was just thinking today that I should try taking a week off and going ULC for it and doing a CNS stunt the night before my 1st lift for it to allow my body to rest. As for the blood work I've actually really considered it, and I've been very curious. I don't use any stimulants besides caffeine, I used to use NO extreme and Jack3D (separately) for pre workout, however, I haven't used that for over a month, maybe over 2, even. I just started using creatine again, although that's more of a natural compound. Still curious though, wouldn't mind seeing what's going on there haha
Forgot to mention- plenty of energy, unless I've gone 2 days of HIIT in a row, or the exception to the morning after my most recent big backload… And that's the thing that always got me before P90X, and then CBL/Shockwave after that (I was doing P90X) 2 weeks prior- I didn't know when to stop weight lifting/working out. So my body was eating itself for a very long time. I'd do chest/back/legs on one day- heavy lifting, mixed with abs and 3 sides of 1 mile run intervals set in between the lift routine. That was before May, though. Thankfully the Shockwave protocol has shown me when to stop
Forgot to mention- plenty of energy, unless I've gone 2 days of HIIT in a row, or the exception to the morning after my most recent big backload... And that's the thing that always got me before P90X, and then CBL/Shockwave after that (I was doing P90X) 2 weeks prior- I didn't know when to stop weight lifting/working out. So my body was eating itself for a very long time. I'd do chest/back/legs on one day- heavy lifting, mixed with abs and 3 sides of 1 mile run intervals set in between the lift routine. That was before May, though. Thankfully the Shockwave protocol has shown me when to stop
I was more interested in the blood work for your adrenals/cortisol/ and MOST importantly TESTOSTERONE. "my body was eating itself" is a bad thing.
... I don't think I'm going to do very big backloads anymore- here's Kiefer's input, I'm going to follow it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLitmnzsDgs (start at 13:07)Regardless, please neglect my last question
Out of curiosity, what did your backloads look like before, and what are they going to look like now?Like Kiefer has said, the "perfect" amount, what foods, etc. is HIGHLY subjective. I personally have little time to get all my carbs in so the dirtier food is what works best for me. Someone who has 4 or 5 hours may be able to spread it around a bit.It sounds like your goal here is to keep losing fat, and the main objective of CNS is fat loss, so you might want to look into that.
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