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August 12, 2013 at 4:20 pm #9439
Kirill YunussovMemberThe book says “eat chicken breast, lean pork”. Then it goes and says “eat bacon”. Makes no sense – these foods are on the opposite ends of the spectrum. Why does it not say “any cuts of chicken/pork/beef”, and why does it specify that it has to be lean, but then confuse you by saying you can eat bacon?? Thanks.
August 12, 2013 at 5:16 pm #194694
apisula2000MemberThe book says "eat chicken breast, lean pork". Then it goes and says "eat bacon". Makes no sense - these foods are on the opposite ends of the spectrum. Why does it not say "any cuts of chicken/pork/beef", and why does it specify that it has to be lean, but then confuse you by saying you can eat bacon?? Thanks.
You can eat lean meat or bacon. Bacon has the essential fats needed for the balance. By eating fats/proteins/minimal carbs you are kicking your body essentially into ketosis by the 10-14 day point of prep. There are lunches where I will eat a substantial amount of bacon. Key rule of thumb, just be sure fats/proteins are balanced. Additionally, be aware that everyone is different and bodies react differently. I like to stay with lean proteins during the first half of the day since I have 1 tbsp of cocnut oil with my coffee upon waking, but at night, I may have a chicken breast wrapped in bacon. Sooooo good. Every ULC day, i ensure my proteins/fats are 50/50. Just my opinion and works fine for me.Finally, realize that those are just example meal plans, he is not saying you have to use them as each person is different.
August 14, 2013 at 12:54 am #194695
TCBParticipantSimple.. Both.
August 14, 2013 at 5:22 pm #194696
CBachelor17Member+1 on the confusion, the book actually seems to disapprove of fatty meats, but accepts the fat content in leaner cuts. Making meat fat to be kept in moderation, and MCT's, Omega-9,3,6 to be dominant. I down bacon, but when buying meat i eat chicken breasts ground sirloin, Silver Platter(Leaner) Ground Pork, etc. and make up the difference in fat mainly with Coconut oil, also Avocado just in more moderation. Just find whats right for you, I feel like as long as fat is the dominant Macro and its not all coming from plant fats youll be fine.
August 14, 2013 at 7:47 pm #194697
OurkoParticipantI think it ´s an interpretation as i never understood the book being pro lean meat or against fattys. For every lean meat, oils are added. It´s oils choices which have evolved a bit.
August 14, 2013 at 8:29 pm #194698
CBachelor17MemberRight, that being said though, favoring lean meats probably has not, supplementing fats with MCT Oils (Grass Fed Butter, Palm Kern Oil, Coconut Oil) is probably better than eating nothing but 85/15 Ground Beef, Bacon, and Sausage.
August 15, 2013 at 2:49 pm #194699
samuel r walkerParticipantAgreed. Ill usually eat something like london broil and add in a few tablespoons of c oil or grassfed butter, or a fatty cut of grass fed beef if I can find one. Since my backloads r usually only 2-3hrs I try to get atleast half my fats in (if not more) during the ulc meals so I dont have to cram 60 grams or so into my last meal, though I sometimes do.
August 15, 2013 at 4:50 pm #194700
CBachelor17MemberRight, I favor the leaner meats with supplemented fat rather than just fatty meat. Quick question, Im on CN and just curious to the real method people use on CBL because Ill be switching to SA soon. If your following a .75:1 ratio for example, thats not just for ULC portion thats for the whole day correct? So if your getting lets say 72g protein in during ULC then you want around 54g fat during that time. But if your protein goals are lets say 180 for the day then by the end of the day you want to have all your carb goals met from your backload, your protein, and the remaining 80 some grams of fat to meet your .75:1 goal for the day?
August 20, 2013 at 3:56 pm #194701
Tracy JarchowParticipantThe book says "eat chicken breast, lean pork". Then it goes and says "eat bacon". Makes no sense - these foods are on the opposite ends of the spectrum. Why does it not say "any cuts of chicken/pork/beef", and why does it specify that it has to be lean, but then confuse you by saying you can eat bacon?? Thanks.
There is a BIG difference in the chemical makeup and the bodily effects of the typical grain-fed meat versus grass-fed meat. If you eat the best meat for you that would be grass-fed meat and eat the fattiest cuts you can find, ie rib eye, etc. If you eat the typical farm factory raised animals they are normally grain-fed, then eat the leanest cuts you can find, ie sirloin, etc. and get your fat sources from elsewhere such as grass-fed butter like Kerrygold butter. Since a person should not eat grains of any kind you also don't eat the meat of animals which fed on grain.http://chriskresser.com/why-grass-fed-trumps-grain-fedhttp://www.bulletproofexec.com/grass-fed-meat-part-1/
August 20, 2013 at 10:11 pm #194702
CCTMemberOr just get lean cuts and slather them in coconut oil/grass fed butter
August 20, 2013 at 11:10 pm #194703
CBachelor17MemberOr just get lean cuts and slather them in coconut oil/grass fed butter
+1 Lean cuts of grass fed beef, with kerrygold garlic&herb butter/ coconut oil. Your lean cuts still have fat, that fat is deff better and certainly ok, but I think that basing your fat intake from fatty meats is generally a bad idea especially if your going to do CN/CBL long tern which i think most (myself included) on these forums are. Just my personal opinion, Im not a registered dietitian, nor am I a doctor, though I do have a good knowledge base on the subject.
August 22, 2013 at 1:36 pm #194704
samuel r walkerParticipantOr just get lean cuts and slather them in coconut oil/grass fed butter
+1 Lean cuts of grass fed beef, with kerrygold garlic&herb butter/ coconut oil. Your lean cuts still have fat, that fat is deff better and certainly ok, but I think that basing your fat intake from fatty meats is generally a bad idea especially if your going to do CN/CBL long tern which i think most (myself included) on these forums are. Just my personal opinion, Im not a registered dietitian, nor am I a doctor, though I do have a good knowledge base on the subject.
If you were a registered dietition youd prolly advocate eating oatmeal for breakfast and low fat all day.. haha
August 22, 2013 at 2:28 pm #194705
TCBParticipantOr just get lean cuts and slather them in coconut oil/grass fed butter
+1 Lean cuts of grass fed beef, with kerrygold garlic&herb butter/ coconut oil. Your lean cuts still have fat, that fat is deff better and certainly ok, but I think that basing your fat intake from fatty meats is generally a bad idea especially if your going to do CN/CBL long tern which i think most (myself included) on these forums are. Just my personal opinion, Im not a registered dietitian, nor am I a doctor, though I do have a good knowledge base on the subject.
I'd say if you can stick to grass-fed/pastured animal products, basing your fats off those is your best option. Especially long term, cuz those things are usually the tastiest (eg: steak, butter, eggs) If not grass-fed/pastured, definitely go leaner cuts of meat. And just cook everything in grass-fed butter, heavy whipping cream, coconut oil, coconut milk, etc
August 28, 2013 at 9:38 pm #194706
ItzThatGuyShaneGuestOr just get lean cuts and slather them in coconut oil/grass fed butter
+1 Lean cuts of grass fed beef, with kerrygold garlic&herb butter/ coconut oil. Your lean cuts still have fat, that fat is deff better and certainly ok, but I think that basing your fat intake from fatty meats is generally a bad idea especially if your going to do CN/CBL long tern which i think most (myself included) on these forums are. Just my personal opinion, Im not a registered dietitian, nor am I a doctor, though I do have a good knowledge base on the subject.
I'd say if you can stick to grass-fed/pastured animal products, basing your fats off those is your best option. Especially long term, cuz those things are usually the tastiest (eg: steak, butter, eggs) If not grass-fed/pastured, definitely go leaner cuts of meat. And just cook everything in grass-fed butter, heavy whipping cream, coconut oil, coconut milk, etc
I saw coconut milk in the supermarket the other day and was in two minds whether to buy it or not because I haven't seen many people on here talk about it. I remember the nutrition on the can seemed good though in terms of the carb to fat ratio.
August 28, 2013 at 10:34 pm #194707
TCBParticipantOr just get lean cuts and slather them in coconut oil/grass fed butter
+1 Lean cuts of grass fed beef, with kerrygold garlic&herb butter/ coconut oil. Your lean cuts still have fat, that fat is deff better and certainly ok, but I think that basing your fat intake from fatty meats is generally a bad idea especially if your going to do CN/CBL long tern which i think most (myself included) on these forums are. Just my personal opinion, Im not a registered dietitian, nor am I a doctor, though I do have a good knowledge base on the subject.
I'd say if you can stick to grass-fed/pastured animal products, basing your fats off those is your best option. Especially long term, cuz those things are usually the tastiest (eg: steak, butter, eggs) If not grass-fed/pastured, definitely go leaner cuts of meat. And just cook everything in grass-fed butter, heavy whipping cream, coconut oil, coconut milk, etc
I saw coconut milk in the supermarket the other day and was in two minds whether to buy it or not because I haven't seen many people on here talk about it. I remember the nutrition on the can seemed good though in terms of the carb to fat ratio.
😮Tons of stuff on here about coconut milk. It's fine. Better if you can find a product where coconut is the only ingredient.
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