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Two cents about whey protein:I was doing some research about the effects of insulin that whey protein has over the body, and scattered around this board there have been tips to stay away from whey due to those insulin spikes.The trouble I have with accepting this advice is that when you ingest whey proteins and higher amounts of fat, over time your insulin resistance is reduced and your glucose tolerance in increased. The study is found in: February 2011 issue of the "Journal of Nutrition." You'd also read in that article that your metabolic rate is also improved as well. This knowledge has also been found in 2004:http://jn.nutrition.org/content/134/6/1454.fullThe other thing about whey proteins is that it can function as an appetite suppressant. In my case, when I was hungry for carbs in the first couple weeks of CNS, I was using a lean shake supplement, which curbed my appetite immensely. So those pizza parties, doughnut luncheons, etc enabled me to avoid becoming a carb craving monster.So as a result, though you do get an insulin spike after digesting straight up whey, it should not be correlated with the promotion of insulin resistance.After being in carb nite for a month and a half, I have been taking two protein shakes a day and a PWO protein shake with some cheeses and half an avacado. Along with substantial amounts of veggies and animal fats. I weighed 257 lbs before CNS and I still weigh 250 lbs. Although 7 lbs is not a lot, I look much leaner and trimmer than what I looked like before. My performance in strength has also improved in the gym, I find myself using heavier dumbbells every week.Two cents about fats:I read a post not too long ago to avoid plant fats and to moderately consume them because of the amount of monounsaturated fats, which gets stored as fat more readily, so the alternate solution is to eat more animal fats. I'm not too sure about this because of the compromises that you will be making with the diet.Take for example 100 g of butter and 100 g of avacado. I know 100 g is too much for butter, but I want to show the percentages between the two and the problem with taking in animal fats as the primary source.Avacado2 grams of net carbs, 2g of saturated fat, 10g of monounsaturated fat, and ~2g of polyunsaturdated fatsButter (an animal by product) 63g of saturated fat, 26g of monounsaturated fat, and 4g of polyunsaturated fatsThe biggest problem with the consumption of butter (especially if you want to use fats to keep the P:F ratio 1:1) is that the amount of saturated fats you are willing to compromise. Too much of it can lead to cardiovascular disease and colorectal, ovarian, and prostate cancer.secondly: since both monounsaturated fats and saturated fats are known to increase insulin resistance. There is an article that states that when you substitute saturated fats for monounsaturated fat this will make you more insulin resistance:http://www.springerlink.com/content/1enfcr0fm56k1xh2/
No one ever claimed using the whey led to insulin resistance. We avoid raising our insulin levels for the purpose of allowing more BF to be mobilized. When insulin is raise you wont burn fat.Saturated fat is not bad. It doesn't cause heart disease or cancer.
No, the advice is sparse and I don't really have the time to look through the message boards, but time and time again I see advice on here to stay away from protein shakes because the direct result of digesting whey protein led to insulin spikes, and to stay away because of that. I am suggesting that they shouldn't have to because in the long run you decrease insulin resistance.Saturated fats on cardiovascular disease:http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD002137.pub2/abstract;jsessionid=7C8E3EFD72D7AB6821C3978245C11CDB.d03t01Main result: "This updated review suggested that reducing saturated fat by reducing and/or modifying dietary fat reduced the risk of cardiovascular events by 14%"You replace the saturate by increase polyunsaturated fats, and that will actually help lower the risk.For 3 types of cancer, I can't say if that is accurate for sure. Claims that are suggested that higher intake of saturated fats to cancer has been purely observational. However, I do not want to take the risk! I'd keep my intake low to moderate.
No, the advice is sparse and I don't really have the time to look through the message boards, but time and time again I see advice on here to stay away from protein shakes because the direct result of digesting whey protein led to insulin spikes, and to stay away because of that. I am suggesting that they shouldn't have to because in the long run you decrease insulin resistance.Saturated fats on cardiovascular disease:http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD002137.pub2/abstract;jsessionid=7C8E3EFD72D7AB6821C3978245C11CDB.d03t01Main result: "This updated review suggested that reducing saturated fat by reducing and/or modifying dietary fat reduced the risk of cardiovascular events by 14%"You replace the saturate by increase polyunsaturated fats, and that will actually help lower the risk.For 3 types of cancer, I can't say if that is accurate for sure. Claims that are suggested that higher intake of saturated fats to cancer has been purely observational. However, I do not want to take the risk! I'd keep my intake low to moderate.
I am less than convinced by one review. This article was spawned off of a review of many different studies, and is subject to all the biases and flaws of those studies. Intead, post some actual studies, not reviews, studies, and I will consider this opinion a little more seriously.
No, the advice is sparse and I don't really have the time to look through the message boards, but time and time again I see advice on here to stay away from protein shakes because the direct result of digesting whey protein led to insulin spikes, and to stay away because of that. I am suggesting that they shouldn't have to because in the long run you decrease insulin resistance.Saturated fats on cardiovascular disease:http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD002137.pub2/abstract;jsessionid=7C8E3EFD72D7AB6821C3978245C11CDB.d03t01Main result: "This updated review suggested that reducing saturated fat by reducing and/or modifying dietary fat reduced the risk of cardiovascular events by 14%"You replace the saturate by increase polyunsaturated fats, and that will actually help lower the risk.For 3 types of cancer, I can't say if that is accurate for sure. Claims that are suggested that higher intake of saturated fats to cancer has been purely observational. However, I do not want to take the risk! I'd keep my intake low to moderate.
Seeing as how more disease in general is being linked to inflammation and polyunsaturated fats which oxidize very easily lead to systemic inflammation which has been proven by more then observation I'll go ahead and avoid them.Most new evidence is showing the fears of saturated fat are unfounded and could be hurting our health do to the hormonal benefits of consuming saturated fats. You will be one of the only people doing CNS while avoid saturated fats if you choose, butter, beef, bacon, and coconut oil are many peoples staples and most of the people that are using them have fantastic health markers.I would suggest you check out some of the Weston A Price stuff.Again, you are missing the point of avoiding whey protein.It's not to avoid having chronically raised insulin levels which are a partial cause of insulin resistance, it is simply to avoid the higher spike in insulin that is causes since the spike in insulin will halt fat oxidization for some time.
If anyone is at all familiar with how a paleo/ketogenic diet works, they should be well aware that saturated fats are NOT the enemy in any way whatsoever. I have been paleo for nearly one year now, and have kept a diet loaded with saturated fats on a daily basis the entire time. I recently had blood testing performed to measure how my cholesterol levels are, and they are extremely low - classified as "near ideal". HDL, LDL, triglycerides all in great shape, and my risk level for heart disease was listed as "very low risk"My body fat % test was performed shortly after, reading out at 13% BFMy numbers don't lie, and I'm fairly certain that I'm not some sort of genetic freak. I think that puts the myth of saturated fats being dangerous to rest.
No, the advice is sparse and I don't really have the time to look through the message boards, but time and time again I see advice on here to stay away from protein shakes because the direct result of digesting whey protein led to insulin spikes, and to stay away because of that. I am suggesting that they shouldn't have to because in the long run you decrease insulin resistance.Saturated fats on cardiovascular disease:http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD002137.pub2/abstract;jsessionid=7C8E3EFD72D7AB6821C3978245C11CDB.d03t01Main result: "This updated review suggested that reducing saturated fat by reducing and/or modifying dietary fat reduced the risk of cardiovascular events by 14%"You replace the saturate by increase polyunsaturated fats, and that will actually help lower the risk.For 3 types of cancer, I can't say if that is accurate for sure. Claims that are suggested that higher intake of saturated fats to cancer has been purely observational. However, I do not want to take the risk! I'd keep my intake low to moderate.
Seeing as how more disease in general is being linked to inflammation and polyunsaturated fats which oxidize very easily lead to systemic inflammation which has been proven by more then observation I'll go ahead and avoid them.Most new evidence is showing the fears of saturated fat are unfounded and could be hurting our health do to the hormonal benefits of consuming saturated fats. You will be one of the only people doing CNS while avoid saturated fats if you choose, butter, beef, bacon, and coconut oil are many peoples staples and most of the people that are using them have fantastic health markers.I would suggest you check out some of the Weston A Price stuff.Again, you are missing the point of avoiding whey protein.It's not to avoid having chronically raised insulin levels which are a partial cause of insulin resistance, it is simply to avoid the higher spike in insulin that is causes since the spike in insulin will halt fat oxidization for some time.
Where do you find studies that claim that polyunsaturated fats (pfs) are linked to inflammation? This study suggests otherwise:http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/91/2/398.fullBtw, the more I look into my original assertion about saturated fats (sfs), the more I find myself on the fence. I'm seeing emerging articles online about the theory that consumption of saturated fats linking to cardiovascular disease is being debunked. Just read two fantastic article that sides with you guys on this:http://www.marksdailyapple.com/saturated-fat-healthy/#axzz2BV1FbMNfhttp://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/02/02/dutch-recognize-saturated-fat-not-a-problem.aspxI guess all this talk stemmed out from a 3 year study in the University of Washington where they took like 230 women and found that though they consumed large amounts of saturated fats they had the least amount of additional plaque.Btw, I didn't say I am avoid saturated fats, I said I am taking low to moderate levels of them, I realize the importance of sfs.As far as the whey protein insulin spike, does that spike exist because of the fact that you are only eating pure whey protein with no fats? What if I consumed a fatty food along with the whey protein so that it slows down the digestion? Hopefully I'll understand this better.
Ry Diggs,Yeh this is my first time I'm doing this diet. I've actually been seeing results for the past month and a half. The best I've seen in any diet I've taken so far. I had a diet that worked before just by counting calories, but in the process I became a weaker thinner person, undoubtedly lost muscle mass.Even though I am not consuming larger quantities of saturated fats and still drinking protein shakes, I'm still seeing satisfying results and can't complain really.I just found it odd about those two advice since I've been learning a lot by coming here these past few weeks and decided to join the forum to put what I thought about it.Myths are being debunked right now!!
No, the advice is sparse and I don't really have the time to look through the message boards, but time and time again I see advice on here to stay away from protein shakes because the direct result of digesting whey protein led to insulin spikes, and to stay away because of that. I am suggesting that they shouldn't have to because in the long run you decrease insulin resistance.Saturated fats on cardiovascular disease:http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD002137.pub2/abstract;jsessionid=7C8E3EFD72D7AB6821C3978245C11CDB.d03t01Main result: "This updated review suggested that reducing saturated fat by reducing and/or modifying dietary fat reduced the risk of cardiovascular events by 14%"You replace the saturate by increase polyunsaturated fats, and that will actually help lower the risk.For 3 types of cancer, I can't say if that is accurate for sure. Claims that are suggested that higher intake of saturated fats to cancer has been purely observational. However, I do not want to take the risk! I'd keep my intake low to moderate.
Seeing as how more disease in general is being linked to inflammation and polyunsaturated fats which oxidize very easily lead to systemic inflammation which has been proven by more then observation I'll go ahead and avoid them.Most new evidence is showing the fears of saturated fat are unfounded and could be hurting our health do to the hormonal benefits of consuming saturated fats. You will be one of the only people doing CNS while avoid saturated fats if you choose, butter, beef, bacon, and coconut oil are many peoples staples and most of the people that are using them have fantastic health markers.I would suggest you check out some of the Weston A Price stuff.Again, you are missing the point of avoiding whey protein.It's not to avoid having chronically raised insulin levels which are a partial cause of insulin resistance, it is simply to avoid the higher spike in insulin that is causes since the spike in insulin will halt fat oxidization for some time.
Where do you find studies that claim that polyunsaturated fats (pfs) are linked to inflammation? This study suggests otherwise:http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/91/2/398.fullBtw, the more I look into my original assertion about saturated fats (sfs), the more I find myself on the fence. I'm seeing emerging articles online about the theory that consumption of saturated fats linking to cardiovascular disease is being debunked. Just read two fantastic article that sides with you guys on this:http://www.marksdailyapple.com/saturated-fat-healthy/#axzz2BV1FbMNfhttp://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/02/02/dutch-recognize-saturated-fat-not-a-problem.aspxI guess all this talk stemmed out from a 3 year study in the University of Washington where they took like 230 women and found that though they consumed large amounts of saturated fats they had the least amount of additional plaque.Btw, I didn't say I am avoid saturated fats, I said I am taking low to moderate levels of them, I realize the importance of sfs.As far as the whey protein insulin spike, does that spike exist because of the fact that you are only eating pure whey protein with no fats? What if I consumed a fatty food along with the whey protein so that it slows down the digestion? Hopefully I'll understand this better.
I'll try to link the studies soon. Mostly its because of the high omega 6 content of most polyunsaturated fats people are told to eat that throw are N6:3 balance off.MDA is a great place to find some info, I'd also recommend http://www.bulletproofexec.comIt's a few reason why whey does that, one is milk proteins are incredibly insulinogenic in general, the faster absorption rate of liquid foods causes a quick spike as well, and the lack of fat doesn't help.If you use whey outside of PWO it's recommend to match it with fats in a pinch, but it's much less optimal.
Ry Diggs,Yeh this is my first time I'm doing this diet. I've actually been seeing results for the past month and a half. The best I've seen in any diet I've taken so far. I had a diet that worked before just by counting calories, but in the process I became a weaker thinner person, undoubtedly lost muscle mass.Even though I am not consuming larger quantities of saturated fats and still drinking protein shakes, I'm still seeing satisfying results and can't complain really.I just found it odd about those two advice since I've been learning a lot by coming here these past few weeks and decided to join the forum to put what I thought about it.Myths are being debunked right now!!
welcome to the truth, baby! this is going to be one of many claims you'll discover that conventional medical wisdom has just had it all wrong all along!wait until the day comes when you break the news to your primary physician during your next check-up about what kind of foods you eat! the puzzled (or horrific) look on their face will be burned in your memory forever hahaha
Ry Diggs,Yeh this is my first time I'm doing this diet. I've actually been seeing results for the past month and a half. The best I've seen in any diet I've taken so far. I had a diet that worked before just by counting calories, but in the process I became a weaker thinner person, undoubtedly lost muscle mass.Even though I am not consuming larger quantities of saturated fats and still drinking protein shakes, I'm still seeing satisfying results and can't complain really.I just found it odd about those two advice since I've been learning a lot by coming here these past few weeks and decided to join the forum to put what I thought about it.Myths are being debunked right now!!
welcome to the truth, baby! this is going to be one of many claims you'll discover that conventional medical wisdom has just had it all wrong all along!wait until the day comes when you break the news to your primary physician during your next check-up about what kind of foods you eat! the puzzled (or horrific) look on their face will be burned in your memory forever hahaha
I wish I could get a picture of it. It's funny when you become healthier then ever before and they still tell you that it's eating like that will kill you in your 40's.
I wish I could get a picture of it. It's funny when you become healthier then ever before and they still tell you that it's eating like that will kill you in your 40's.
hahhahahahhahaa!! trev...i swear i get that at least once a day from someoneIt's like Robb Wolf always says...one of the first things you notice when on this diet - alienation from friends, family and peers. No one gets it.
I wish I could get a picture of it. It's funny when you become healthier then ever before and they still tell you that it's eating like that will kill you in your 40's.
hahhahahahhahaa!! trev...i swear i get that at least once a day from someoneIt's like Robb Wolf always says...one of the first things you notice when on this diet - alienation from friends, family and peers. No one gets it.
Love this. I think I'm lucky, my fiancé is all about this new diet change - he noticed within a few days that ULC carb days = me being nicer. I have more energy and so I'm happier. No one questioned me because I changed my diet first, they noticed my mood and THEN I mentioned butter, cheese, eggs...et al. BUT I'm looking forward to the day I go to the doctor and explain it, muahahahaha!Just to clarify though, whey shakes are out for ULC right? but they're recommended PWO for Carb Nite. Its all coming together piece by piece
I wish I could get a picture of it. It's funny when you become healthier then ever before and they still tell you that it's eating like that will kill you in your 40's.
hahhahahahhahaa!! trev...i swear i get that at least once a day from someoneIt's like Robb Wolf always says...one of the first things you notice when on this diet - alienation from friends, family and peers. No one gets it.
Love this. I think I'm lucky, my fiancé is all about this new diet change - he noticed within a few days that ULC carb days = me being nicer. I have more energy and so I'm happier. No one questioned me because I changed my diet first, they noticed my mood and THEN I mentioned butter, cheese, eggs...et al. BUT I'm looking forward to the day I go to the doctor and explain it, muahahahaha!Just to clarify though, whey shakes are out for ULC right? but they're recommended PWO for Carb Nite. Its all coming together piece by piece
Whey should only be used PWO. Still use it even if it's a ULC day, just don't have any carbs in your PWO shake.
Love this. I think I'm lucky, my fiancé is all about this new diet change - he noticed within a few days that ULC carb days = me being nicer. I have more energy and so I'm happier. No one questioned me because I changed my diet first, they noticed my mood and THEN I mentioned butter, cheese, eggs...et al. BUT I'm looking forward to the day I go to the doctor and explain it, muahahahaha!
oh totally! Please let us know when you do! That day you have "the talk" with your doctor about this is definitely one of those moments you'll never forget. Just to clarify though, whey shakes are out for ULC right? but they're recommended PWO for Carb Nite. Its all coming together piece by piecePWO only during the week (take with fats to help stunt insulin spike)then..PWO on your CN, and it wouldn't hurt to have a scoop with each of your CN meals, to help keep your protein:fat ratio in check for the day
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