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Quick question, I saw on an Atkins forum that wine was acceptable for ULC days as long as it was obviously low carb. There are some wines that are less then 5g for a 5 ounce glass. Is this something that can be occasionally consumed on ULC days for CNS?
Yeah I have been looking through some older threads and there is kind of a confusion on if there are negative effects due to the consumption. Occasionally on carb night, I will have one or two 4-5 ounces of wine, as Keifer had said one or two are ok on carb nite. BUt if it is under 30g on ULC days….would it be counterproductive to have one glass?
Again, as long as you aren't doing it all the time it should hurt much if any.The biggest benefit of Kiefers diets in my opinion is that they allow you to enjoy yourself without preventing your from reaching your goals, so I look at it as if I'd like to have a drink one night, I'm going to do it and not worry about it.
Alcohol is the bodys preferred fuel source. Ingesting even a small amount of it will completely shut off fat burning, or burning of anything except alcohol. It also messes with your hormonal system. Will it alter the the hormonal environment that makes CNS work? No clue, but drinking wine will probably not help you progress. 😛Atkins did not have all the facts. On his diet you can eat sugar alcohols and fructose (not sure about the fructose actually), which Kiefers sources say is detrimental.BUT - even knowing this, I still enjoy the occasional alcohol binge (Norwegians can't drink in moderation; I blame my heritage :P).
hey abbeball,it would be best to avoid alcohol during ULC days.Coincidently someone asked Julia Ladewski on her fb Q&A session today and she said that she had a client who had wine during her CBL. Her results started to show when she gave up wine.
This has me curious, because after looking at a couple research articles on alcohol and insulin release you can see that insulin sensitivity actually increases with moderate alcohol consumption. I'm only basing this on the three studies that I've perused so I can't say for sure, but it's worth more investigation for CBL principles. Short theory: So say you're on CBL and you want to have a couple of glasses of wine on a particular night. You do your fast, eat protein:fats up until your workout, hit your workout hard, have your whey isolate and glycemic carbs PWO...then you start off with a glass of dry red wine (I'm so curious, because I'm a wine drinker as well). So, you may lose metabolic functions while the alcohol is in your system, MPS is already stimulated though from the workout and PWO shake, insulin level goes back down and becomes primed thru the alcohol. Then you start your backload with some simple carbs and protein with another glass of wine to wash it down, where your insulin levels would spike up really high to flow right into the muscles. Possibly this could increase absorption...however, since the metabolism has to deal with the alcohol first (I'm still not quite sure this is true, more research), the body may just have to go on standby, while they wait for the body to metabolize the alcohol. Then the excess carbs go directly to fat storage. Main question...how do we optimize the insulin sensitivity effects from moderate alcohol consumption to our benefit (or) perhaps it's not possible.A lot of these research studies are done by questionnaires though, which is bothersome. I will find more to support moderate wine drinking behavior as a positive (or I won't and this will be a big waste of time :-).Research articles so far:http://hamsnetwork.org/metabolism/http://www.bmj.com/content/313/7064/1040.full#alternatehttp://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/27/1/184.shorthttp://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2362.2000.00624.x/abstract
Honestly there are Pros and Cons to drinking wine, beer, and alcohol. Funny that this subject keeps getting brought up. I'm sure we all know that indugling in these drinks with a glass or two won't be nearly as bad as five or six, however even if one hits the system (I would assume) that it dampers any results/progress wanting to be made. Unless I'm wrong here. Yes there are some who drink every weekend, but still do outstanding in the gym. Though even with the supplements, I'm sure they would do even better without consuming so much alcohol. I'm not meaning this post to have not anyone drink, hell drink up, enjoy life, have fun with friends and family. Why be a hermit in the corner drinking water if you can have fun and solicalize. Just be prepared to correct yourself the following week, not day(s), week or weeks.I don't have any studies or research links to back any of this up, but it's just my opinion and what I think.
Gosh, Big Tex...don't rain on my parade here. I haven't had a drink in over 200+ days now and darn it, I want some wine!But yeah, it's true, drinking will slow down progress, but I think there's a happy medium that you can still get results and have a few beers, a couple glasses of wine, and rye and gingers without killing your body too bad. Just need to figure out which is the least damaging way to work it in.I actually think the ULC portion of the diet might actually be the best way to go on a drinking binge persay, since you'd already be burning fatty acids and you'd have that slowing absorption of the alcohol down, providing fuel to the muscles, while the liver is processing the alcohol and shuttling it out into circulation for it to be broken down by ADH and the two other enzymes I can't think of right now. Of course, no study is ever going to prove this...a lot of cut & paste and inferring going on in here!
Don't drink alcohol at all when you are ULC. You can have a little on Carb Nite, but low carb dieting and alcohol do not mix.Nevertheless, if you have it, I would keep it to one glass. You shouldn't have to restart.
I wouldn't simply b/c of the effects on hormone levels, by lowering Testosterone, and raising Estrogen & Cortisol [1, 2]. Alcohol also retards protein synthesis (no bueno for lifters) [3].If you think you are missing some kind of health benefit, simply pop a multi-vitamin/mineral and some Resveratrol. Leave the alcohol to the limp-d1ck Saturday night crowd.Cory[1] Alcohol, Jan-Feb 1984, 1(1):89-93, "Sex hormones and adrenocortical steroids in men acutely intoxicated with ethanol"[2] Bone, 2009 Sep, 45(3):449-54, Epub 2009 May 18, "Effect of alcohol consumption on bone mineral density and hormonal parameters in physically active male soldiers"[3] Lang, Kimball, Frost, Vary, 23 April 2001, "Alcohol myopathy: impairment of protein synthesis and translation initiation"
Well, flame on you guys, but what can I say I like wine…and I'm not ashamed of it. @ibobland08: I think you misunderstood my ULC...I meant eating like an off day for CBL, and sticking strictly to fat:proteins for meal times in order to keep insulin levels low.I'm just saying that there has to be a way of damage control that would be better than the other options. Obviously trying to do a big carb backload while drinking probably wouldn't be the best idea, because of the insulin release, and yes it's not going to help you lose weight faster. The health benefits, blah, blah, blah, we're not talking about health, we're talking about living a little. People still need to live their lives and they're going to have an easier time about it, if they have the option to splurge a little. Some like twinkies, some like wine, beer, or liquor. Not everyone wants to compete, be the biggest bodybuilder on the planet, or even have the biggest squat in the world. They just want to have a nice body that they can be proud of and do the things they want to do. I'm going to argue that eating meals of fat:protein are going to be better for 'damage control', because of that factor. If you're body isn't getting storage signals, yes, your test, hGH, cortisol is going to go up...however, if you're going to have a few glasses of wine it's probably going to be better on ultra low carb. The battle will have to be validated by science. Ready...GO!
insulin sensitivity actually increases with moderate alcohol consumption.
CBL relies on insulin sensitivity to be low, since it affects fat cells as well, so this is probably not a good thing in this context.
insulin sensitivity actually increases with moderate alcohol consumption.
CBL relies on insulin sensitivity to be low, since it affects fat cells as well, so this is probably not a good thing in this context.
That is incorrect. Insulin sensitivity has to do with the insulin receptors being affected by certain levels of insulin in circulation. If your insulin sensitive, your cells are able to be affected easier by insulin secretion in low amounts. If you are insulin resistant, your insulin receptors are 'not sensitive' therefore it takes more insulin to do the job of an insulin sensitive person. That's why diabetics are insulin resistant and not insulin sensitive. CBL relies on diurnal rhythms of insulin, being more resistant to insulin in the morning, so by eating high glycemic foods or insulinotropic foods would cause a larger rise of insulin thus causing more storage from more insulin being released. By fasting we are attempting to make the body more insulin sensitive. We make the body more responsive to small amounts of insulin, so a moderate amount of insulin will do lots of work. So when we spike it after a workout it slams the cells with a large MPS anabolic response.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_resistancehttp://www.diabetes.co.uk/insulin/insulin-sensitivity.html
Read the chapter in the CBL book called “Sensitivity, It Varies”.CBL relies on non-insulin mediated tGLUT translocation, which does not occur in fat cells. You want fat cells to be less insulin sensitive when you slam the carbs.
CBL relies on diurnal rhythms of insulin, being more resistant to insulin in the morning, so by eating high glycemic foods or insulinotropic foods would cause a larger rise of insulin thus causing more storage from more insulin being released.
You are more sensitive to insulin in the morning, not more resistant.
By fasting we are attempting to make the body more insulin sensitive.
The fasting part of CBL is there because eating will stop the fat burning processes.
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