With all of the new options for intra-workout supplements

[Big_R]

I dont disagree that youd find it more beneficial R. I dont think its the weight that determines your need for the carbs intra. More so the volume and reps being performed. If you are moving big weight FOR HIGHER REPS AND SETS then theres definately more of a benefit (not requirement) for a carb drink intra. The <90% is a big factor here. I imagine most powerlifters/strength trainers do not do max reps on their warm up sets. Certainly not all of them. Generally when I start getting to around 50% of my maxes the reps are already down around 5. We arent burning through much glycogen at that point. Maybe we go through a bit more at the end of our sessions with our assistance work but we hardly require intra carbs to complete a few sets of abs, reverse hypers, tricep extentions etc.

I think you fail to realize just how taxed the nervous system can become in performing 95%  and 100% max effort lifts... especially when your training other body parts the same way.  When you start the workout with the most important heavy compound lift, i.e. we can use bench press for example,  Its hard to give 100% with the preceding work aimed toward bodybuilding / hypertrophy because energy is clearly going to be depleted.  If your banging out 10-12 reps on the bench with 315 ( or even sets of 6) you will understand.... it's a lot on the nervous system.This is kinda where Dextrins come in... they are sort of the nucleotide of carb powders - they have multiple purposes, one of which, is to provide immediate energy.  like the other guy said though,  it's relative to training and what your moving and volume and all that ISH!

You make it sound like I have no experience with heavy weights. Do you train completely fasted and glycogen depleted? No? Well then what is wrong with the stored glycogen in your muscles and liver which is released to keep your blood sugar stable?

Define heavy...  if everyone else is doing it, it ain't heavy! lol

LOL. Big man you know I aint lifting as heavy as you but Im still squatting and pulling over 2-2.5 times bw. Id classify that as "heavy" relative to the rest of the training population.

I personally remain fasted for the day and take in about 250g carbs PWO & protein @ 290g/day currently.I feel that bodybuilding is kinda like digging a ditch... the deeper the hole, the longer it's going to take to fill it back up with dirt -  by taking in hydrosylates intra and pwo and adding dextrins intra workout you are literally providing more energy, available rapidly, and also your fighting the catabolic environment you are creating by tearing your muscles down...  it makes perfect sense to consume these supplements. This dramatically reverses the process and helps keep us more anabolic.... less muscle breakdown and faster repair - sounds good to me.

For you with your level of muscle mass and your current dietary setup it makes sense that youd benefit from those intra carbs. But youd probably also benefit from a pre-workout meal. Youd probably benefit from more overall calories.

Glitch those are good numbers btw to be pushing...  im saying that its more for guys doing that sort of thing.... guys that have maxed out there natural frame and pushing their max strength....  if that applies to you then powerlifting or basically trying to increase max power output on several lifts throughout the week  your prob gonna need assistance if u plan on increasing muscle mass and training for hypertrophy or even maintaining.  I wasnt jabbing you at all but youd be suprised at what ppl consider strong LolAlso I do a lot of different things right now.... I start the day as soon as I wake up with 25g hydrosylate.  Goes against all protocol but I am leaner and bigger than ever and recommend u or bob to try it.  I think spiking aminos in the AM reduces catabolism and preserves muscle better in the presence of high cortisol.  I def lost fat... try it out.  And I have pre workout about 25g hydro about 1 hour so im not digesting stuff while training.  Numbers going through the roof!

[Gl;itch.e]

Also I do a lot of different things right now.... I start the day as soon as I wake up with 25g hydrosylate.  Goes against all protocol but I am leaner and bigger than ever and recommend u or bob to try it.  I think spiking aminos in the AM reduces catabolism and preserves muscle better in the presence of high cortisol.  I def lost fat... try it out.  And I have pre workout about 25g hydro about 1 hour so im not digesting stuff while training.  Numbers going through the roof!

Id believe this. If only because I experienced something similar the first time I used Leucine back in the day. I added it at all the wrong times according to the supposed insulin effects and I lost fat mass and gained a couple of Kilos of muscle in a couple of weeks.

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