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The CN diet is not working for me!…………A bit of back ground…..I was doing a cut on leangains for 6 months with 1500cals on rest days and 2100cals on working days and I combined it with Wendler 531; my stats were;Male 185lbs rough estimate of 17%~20%BF some what muscular, 1Rm's are;OH press 170lbsDeadlift 425lbsBench. 270lbs Full squat 310lbsLeangains didn't do shit for me.Started CN in April, I still skipped breakfast and just made sure that my carbs were under 30 and 50:50, diet was chicken,beef,butter and avocados, carb nites I went ape shit with sushi then a dessert or two.......saw no results.....I dropped the weightlifting and I Started preaching on the forums about calorie restriction and counting them, the types of food were the same but now I was counting calories at around 1600 calories a day and carbnites were 3500. Didn't weigh myself but it seemed that clothes were fitting better? My problem.....who the fuck wants to only eat 1600 calories a day? So I took advice from some members and did not worry about the calorie restriction and eat till I was full which brought my calories to 2200-2500, diet is beef, ground pork, bacon and butter that's it, and carbnites are sushi and deserts.Now my clothes are tighter and Im 191lbs WTF.....I need direction....how many calories a day should I eat ULC and how many on carbnite.....In my case it seems that calories do matter? I would drop a nut if Kiefer replied >:( 😮 ;DHoly fuck this is a long post....sorry
Did you the reorientation period?What weightloss did you see in the first 10 days?How many g of protein and fat were you getting?How many carbs did you eat on a carb nite? Did you only do a carb nite once per week?Post up a typical day of diet.
How long have you been running the higher calorie count? I know for me when I yoyo'ed my calories from super high to super low so many times my metabolism was messed up when I went multiple days with consistent numbers. So the weight losses and gains were crazy. Up 4 pounds one day down 4 the next it was nuts. So I started eating the same amounts of calories every day to try and get my metabolism to chill and get more regular. This is still in progress, but I can tell its working. I would just get back to simplicity and take your target weight (or the 191) whatever you want...180 x 12 = 2160 Total Calories 1404 (65%) Fat Calories = 156g 756 (35%) Protien Calories = 189Keep carbs low. Lots of math, but keep it consistent and simple.
Thanks for the reply, see answers below
Did you the reorientation period?YesWhat weightloss did you see in the first 10 days?6 lbsHow many g of protein and fat were you getting?During orientation about 180How many carbs did you eat on a carb nite? Did you only do a carb nite once per week?400-600 once a weekPost ty Lunch 3 medium slices of bacon 145 g Beef Outside Round (Steak, Lean Only, Trimmed to 0" Fat, Select Grade) 20 g Butter (Salted) 1/2 serving Coconut Oil Extra Virgin 230 g Ground Beef (85% Lean / 15% Fat) 2 servings Omega 3 Fish Oil Dinner 3 medium slices of bacon 145 g Beef Outside Round (Steak, Lean Only, Trimmed to 0" Fat, Select Grade) 20 g Butter 230 g Ground Beef (85% Lean / 15% Fat) Total 2410cals, 188fat, 165p
What should I do on the actual carbnite? Thanks
How long have you been running the higher calorie count? I know for me when I yoyo'ed my calories from super high to super low so many times my metabolism was messed up when I went multiple days with consistent numbers. So the weight losses and gains were crazy. Up 4 pounds one day down 4 the next it was nuts. So I started eating the same amounts of calories every day to try and get my metabolism to chill and get more regular. This is still in progress, but I can tell its working. I would just get back to simplicity and take your target weight (or the 191) whatever you want...180 x 12 = 2160 Total Calories 1404 (65%) Fat Calories = 156g 756 (35%) Protien Calories = 189Keep carbs low. Lots of math, but keep it consistent and simple.
Keep your carb nite whatever you want, the carbnite is to keep your hormones in check. I would keep eating the 400 to 600g of carbs, and keep the ULC part of your diet consistent. I pretty stumped after seeing your diet. It looks pretty flawless…..shit son
Have you taken measurements? Just a thought. When I started CNS my gut and waist lost a lot, but my chest and lats grew. Depending on your lifting cycles, what you do, and your BF% you could be making muslce. I would not worry about calories, and if it haunts you so much, trash the scale bro. I have lost 22lbs. doing CNS, but I have also put size on my chest back and shoulders. I started around 28%BF and I'm right at about 19-20% now. I'm 236lbs. now, but do that math, I've been turning a lot of the fat into muscle.Don't get beat down, your diet looks solid, stay consistent and give it time. If you feel like your flat lining, reprep, or look into do the detox diet. You can find that in July Flex Mag.Just my thoughts.
I hate to say it but if you were at a 1500 – 1600 calorie level for an extended period of time you most likely have some metabolic issues caused by this. For one those are the calorie levels of what a 110lb figure competitor should be eating. I would assume your metabolism has slowed down which is causing the stall in progress. The only true way to fix this is to take some time off and up the calories for awhile (like 4 to 6 weeks depending on the damage). Will you gain fat in the process? Probably, but this is just something you will have to deal with if your in it for the long haul. This would be sort of a one step back two steps forward scenario. I suggest reading the book to start with if you haven't already.
Could be doing something wrong during the ULC week. What are you drinking as well as food? Are you making it more complicated than it needs be? I would assume yes because you're worrying about calories. What type of desserts are you eating too? Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk
I am actually also gaining weight on CarbNite. About a pound a week through week four. Not trying to hijack your thread, OP, merely want you to know you aren't the only one in this boat, fwiw.The difference for me, I think, is that fat is slooooowly decreasing along with that weight gain - about 1mm on the calipers (single site pinch test) after 4 weeks. Allowing for inaccuracy, I put myself somewhere between 11 and 12% BF right now. I do though, as someone else alluded to might be a drawback, have a long history of low-carb dieting having been on DiPasquale's Anabolic Solution for BB for over 3 years before 'going crazy' and upping my carbs to about 80-100g/day on training days for a few months before coming to this.I'm hanging in there to see what happens and hope that you will, too.
Thanks for all the replies !@ Tanner Fox- so I should stay in the calorie rang I'm currently at(2200-2500 plus 3500 carbnite)@ Big Tex- just drink water and black coffee, deserts are nutella and peanut butter sandwich, slice of cake, cookies@ Ironfreakshow- no measurements, but going on feel from my belt( wear the same one everyday)
I am only telling your if it were me that is what I would do. Since you have been at this for awhile I would hesitate to say “be patient”. One thing I've had some success with is taking your waking body temp in the morning first thing out of bed. Take a baseline of what it is this week and if your stay on your high calorie levels and it starts to climb I would say you metabolism is climbing which is what you want.Ideally it should be 98.6 but I've never gotten that high. If its super low then most likely that is your problem.
that's a great idea, I have never thought of doing that, can I just use any type of thermometer, or does my wife have to put on a pair of latex gloves in the morning :'(
I am only telling your if it were me that is what I would do. Since you have been at this for awhile I would hesitate to say "be patient". One thing I've had some success with is taking your waking body temp in the morning first thing out of bed. Take a baseline of what it is this week and if your stay on your high calorie levels and it starts to climb I would say you metabolism is climbing which is what you want.Ideally it should be 98.6 but I've never gotten that high. If its super low then most likely that is your problem.
Tanner, if we have a screwed up metabolism, wouldnt that be a good time to lift heavy but eat a good baseline caloric load to maximize muscle gain while minimizing fat gain? Could that work?
If you take your temp under your armpit (axillary?) add a point or two I believe. You don't need to take it rectally, although that is the most accurate. What your looking for is improvement so just stay consistent with where and when you take it. My suggestion is just keep your thermo by your bed and take it as soon as you wake up because even walking around can skew your numbers. Also when you do take your temp, put the thermo in your armpit for a couple minutes before you turn it on. That way, it will warm up before reading your temp and not mess up your numbers.
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