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I think as long as you don't do anything stupid like take it for months at a time or pop them when you are feeling stressed, you shouldn't get addicted. Also I beleive lozenges absorb quicker than the gum. The speed at which the nicotine hits you plays a large part in becoming addicted.As for weight loss, how was that guy's diet and exercise routine?
From what I gathered through a cursory look at his blog, he was taking 4mg four times daily for months straight (possibly). It also looks like he was running mostly low carb all the time.
Did he mention training?
Looks like steady state cardio and screwing around with machines
Absolutely genius.
This thread has obviously gotten a lot of attention since I dropped the nicotine bomb. Let me tell you a few things about nicotine:
- nicotine is one of the most potent lipolytic agents we know of (burns fat like a grease fire)
- nicotine is powerful at stopping fatty acid turnover forcing cells that release fat to not re absorb it.
- and here's the punchline: nicotine is a non-nutritive stimulator of the mTOR pathway of growth
Used intelligently and in moderation, nicotine is f'n amazing. Sooner or later I'll get a chance to write about it in more detail.
This thread has obviously gotten a lot of attention since I dropped the nicotine bomb. Let me tell you a few things about nicotine:
- nicotine is one of the most potent lipolytic agents we know of (burns fat like a grease fire)
- nicotine is powerful at stopping fatty acid turnover forcing cells that release fat to not re absorb it.
- and here's the punchline: nicotine is a non-nutritive stimulator of the mTOR pathway of growth
Used intelligently and in moderation, nicotine is f'n amazing. Sooner or later I'll get a chance to write about it in more detail.
I am a bit cautious to nicotine, since my aunt had smoking-correlated breast cancer, my uncle had multiple cancers and another has emphysema from smoking... However, could someone let me know if nicotine, or the gum itself, actually leads to cancer (specifically, if it does, it would lead to esophogial/gum cancer)? I checked wikipedia, and it argues with this case, claiming it to be solely myth due to the correlation of smoking and chewing tobacco (yes, I do use wikipedia, although universities like to say that it is "a bullshit resource", but considering editors usually back it with sources, I view it credible most of the time). If it is non cancerous- I'll definitely take part, and I would like to know how to properly/efficiently use nicotine gum, w/o addictive side effects.
^Actually, I had misread, nicotine is directly carcinogenic, excluding contact with the skin… unless someone knows of studies to disprove these statements.
This thread has obviously gotten a lot of attention since I dropped the nicotine bomb. Let me tell you a few things about nicotine:
- nicotine is one of the most potent lipolytic agents we know of (burns fat like a grease fire)
- nicotine is powerful at stopping fatty acid turnover forcing cells that release fat to not re absorb it.
- and here's the punchline: nicotine is a non-nutritive stimulator of the mTOR pathway of growth
Used intelligently and in moderation, nicotine is f'n amazing. Sooner or later I'll get a chance to write about it in more detail.
I am anxious to read this article.
This thread has obviously gotten a lot of attention since I dropped the nicotine bomb. Let me tell you a few things about nicotine:
- nicotine is one of the most potent lipolytic agents we know of (burns fat like a grease fire)
- nicotine is powerful at stopping fatty acid turnover forcing cells that release fat to not re absorb it.
- and here's the punchline: nicotine is a non-nutritive stimulator of the mTOR pathway of growth
Used intelligently and in moderation, nicotine is f'n amazing. Sooner or later I'll get a chance to write about it in more detail.
From what it sounds to me, nicotine supplementation in the morning could increase the effectiveness of the morning fast. The reason we take coconut oil at the 12 hour mark is to stimulate the mTor pathway for growth and keep mTor activated from the previous nights training. If we didn't include coconut oil, at the 12 hour mark mTor would start to wane. However the downside of including coconut oil is it shuts off macroautophagy. Thus by using nicotine, we can keep mTor humming along as well as keep the benefits of both macroautophagy and chaperone mediated autophagy in addition to the lypolytic effects of nicotine itself. From this information, I would advise against the morning coffee/coconut oil/whey shake for those of us supplementing with nicotine and simply use it instead.Kiefer or anyone else please feel free to correct me if I am mistaken in my understanding of the biological mechanisms at work here. This is simply my best understanding of the research I have read and Kiefers recommendations (from his posts on nicotine as well as his Intermittent Fasting articles).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12791621?dopt=AbstractI'm gonna go ahead and say that unless you're really lean already, don't bother with nicotine. You'd be better served to just stick to CNS/CBL to get your six-pack showing. Using nicotine if you aren't already lean is like trying to kill a fly with a sniper rifle. There are easier, simpler, and safer ways to go about it. Kiefer probably uses nicotine (I'm assuming gum due to the fact that dosing would be easier for the 1mg necessary), for only his pre-contest clients. Although I can't speak first hand for how addictive nicotine is, I'm sure it's not something you should use chronically.
I've been using that stuff for a couple of years now when dieting, but rather for the appetite-suppressing effect than the direct stimulation of lipolysis. It's really effective in killing hunger for half an hour or so, even when used without the caffeine. And for me personally, I also like the cognitive boost that goes along with it 🙂
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12791621?dopt=AbstractI'm gonna go ahead and say that unless you're really lean already, don't bother with nicotine. You'd be better served to just stick to CNS/CBL to get your six-pack showing. Using nicotine if you aren't already lean is like trying to kill a fly with a sniper rifle. There are easier, simpler, and safer ways to go about it. Kiefer probably uses nicotine (I'm assuming gum due to the fact that dosing would be easier for the 1mg necessary), for only his pre-contest clients. Although I can't speak first hand for how addictive nicotine is, I'm sure it's not something you should use chronically.
How lean are you suggesting? Like sub 10% bf?
Just to preface this. I have NO experience using nicotine, or directing anyone to use it for fat loss purposes. However, I'd only suggest it for someone trying to get stage-ready so for guys that's close to <8%If you aren't down to 10% yet, you definitely don't need it in my opinion. However, like I said this is all speculation on my part. I'm not saying it wouldn't help you otherwise, it's just not necessary.
Just to preface this. I have NO experience using nicotine, or directing anyone to use it for fat loss purposes. However, I'd only suggest it for someone trying to get stage-ready so for guys that's close to <8%If you aren't down to 10% yet, you definitely don't need it in my opinion. However, like I said this is all speculation on my part. I'm not saying it wouldn't help you otherwise, it's just not necessary.
I totally understand that it was an opinion, was just curious as to what you meant by lean. Kind of wanted to clarify for a friend/client who is interested as well. I've been advising him to not try it actually but his mind seems to be made up. The only reason I advise against using nicotine for him is because he does not have any basis or information and is just going to dive in head first. The most info I have to help him with is basically what I've learned through DH
Start with 1g nicotine with 100mg caffeine in the am. That's the amounts they found most effective in that study I posted. There are actually tons of logs on line of people using nicotine with success. So if he's already made up his mind he should at least be as educated as possible before jumping into it.
LOL that's exactly what I told him. I think he said he is starting with 2mg based on something one of the meat heads at the gym told him… Ah whatever… thanks for the advice I will apply it if I ever try the stuff myself.
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