New to CBL and wondering about additional supplements

[Francis s Davies]

Hi i am not eaxctly new to CBL as i have been following Kiefer since January but i was waiting for carb backloading2.0 but as it has now been 8 months i thought i would just go and buy CBL1.0.
I have noticed in the book Kiefer recommends certain supplements such as creatine and Whey protein isolate. I was wondering however if he has ever spoken about supps such as l-glutamince, bcaa’s and beta alanine. The reason i ask is i am currently doing MI40 from ben pakulski and he states to supplement with the above supps but i dont want to do this if it will sabotage CBL in anyway. Ben says to take L-glutamine and bcaa’s in the morning, pre workout, post workout and before bed. he says to take beta alanine pre and post workout.
Do you guys think i could follow these recommendations and still get the best out of CBL or should i possibly cut out these supps altogether?
Will these supps spike insulin in anyway even in small 5g doses?

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

[Richard Schmitt]

The topic of BCAA’s spiking insulin have been talked about before, and some have mixed views on it. From what I do know because of the Leucine content added, it will give you a spike. Some say it’s so minor it won’t cause issues, well maybe, it just depends. I ran MI40X with CBL, but I followed his macro guidelines, and probably not the best idea. Too much protein, and really not enough carbs for the effects we want with CBL. Glutamine doesn’t seem like a problem, and beta alanine could be beneficial for a pre-workout.

[Makoto Tomizawa]

Richard Schmitt wrote:

The topic of BCAA’s spiking insulin have been talked about before, and some have mixed views on it. From what I do know because of the Leucine content added, it will give you a spike. Some say it’s so minor it won’t cause issues, well maybe, it just depends.

Somewhere (and I really wish I could remember where) I read that the insulin spike caused by leucine uses a different pathway than doing so with carbohydrates, and that still allowed one to stay in a “fasted” state. But then again, I don’t even know if it was a credible source or not. At this point, the best way to find out is to give it a try both (with and without) and see if you notice any difference. Another option that has an anti-catabolic property without raising insulin level is HMB, though, I’ve never used it before.
Beta is fine, I take it, along with betaine. I hear good reviews on glutamine as well, but I have no experience with it.

I’d say for now, if you want to follow CBL, then follow CBL as it’s written.

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[Francis s Davies]

Thanks for the reply guys.. I will stick to CBL protocol for now then and see how I get on before I start experimenting with different things..
just want to say thanks again as I seem to learn more and more on these forums than I did reading the book 🙈

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