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October 19, 2014 at 6:11 pm #11709
Adam HaysParticipantIs there a limit on protein that I can consume that would negatively affect my results using CBL? I am 170 lbs at 12% bodyfat. The max protein I would ever eat in a day would be 300g.
October 19, 2014 at 6:55 pm #226538
Trevor G FullbrightModeratorNot much early in the day could cause negative effects, aside from that not really, Though you don't get extra benefit past about 1-1.3g of protein per lbs.
October 19, 2014 at 7:33 pm #226539
Adam HaysParticipantFor sure. I wouldn't be low during the day. I just wanted to know if I can eat a lot of protein cause I love meat and often eat whole chickens. I have heard that gluconeogenesisCan cause a rise or spike in insulin and I don't want that if I'm doing carb nite
October 19, 2014 at 8:04 pm #226540
Adam HaysParticipantWill to much protein cause gluconeogenesis and spike my insulin?
October 19, 2014 at 8:27 pm #226541
Richard SchmittModeratorBy itself, over 10g
October 19, 2014 at 8:36 pm #226542
Adam HaysParticipantBut not with fat and fiber? Even if I get 160g in one feeding?
October 19, 2014 at 8:43 pm #226543
Adam HaysParticipantFor dinner I like to eat 1 whole rotisserie chicken with a salad. I know that's more protein than I'll ever need but I like the large dinner. Is this a problem?
October 19, 2014 at 9:44 pm #226544
Richard SchmittModeratorThat will cause a rise for sure. Even with fats. The fats will only blunt it not stop it. Besides, with having that at night shouldn't be a problem.
October 19, 2014 at 10:23 pm #226545
Adam HaysParticipantI know it wouldn't be a problem on CBL but what about normal protein and fat nights on CNS?
October 20, 2014 at 12:09 am #226546
Jenelle BrewerParticipantI know it wouldn't be a problem on CBL but what about normal protein and fat nights on CNS?
I have a thought on this, and my thinking has just changed recently when I saw someone else online who explained it better than I can.Their explanation was that your body is only going to use gluconeogenesis to turn what it needs into glucose. So, for example, when you are not taking in enough protein and your body has to go to your muscle tissue to break down the amino acids it needs... it doesn't break down ALL of the muscle you have all at once, right? It just uses what it needs. Would the same not apply to the protein we take in? Why would our bodies spend the time and the effort messing around with gluconeogenesis, if it is not needed?I have no link, I have nothing to back this up, without doing some googling. But would love to hear if anyone else has good articles or links that contradict this idea. Because at this point, it is pretty much making sense to me.
October 20, 2014 at 12:34 am #226547
TCBParticipantI know it wouldn't be a problem on CBL but what about normal protein and fat nights on CNS?
I have a thought on this, and my thinking has just changed recently when I saw someone else online who explained it better than I can.Their explanation was that your body is only going to use gluconeogenesis to turn what it needs into glucose. So, for example, when you are not taking in enough protein and your body has to go to your muscle tissue to break down the amino acids it needs... it doesn't break down ALL of the muscle you have all at once, right? It just uses what it needs. Would the same not apply to the protein we take in? Why would our bodies spend the time and the effort messing around with gluconeogenesis, if it is not needed?I have no link, I have nothing to back this up, without doing some googling. But would love to hear if anyone else has good articles or links that contradict this idea. Because at this point, it is pretty much making sense to me.
The body has to do something with the protein you consume.. and it's more easily stored in a glucose variant, as opposed to amino acids. So I would think that excess protein eaten, beyond needs for body function/rebuild/repair/etc, would be converted into whatever can be most easily stored for later. No science to back me up.. Just how I've always understood it.
November 14, 2014 at 5:03 pm #226548
Adam HaysParticipantcould I go ULC and use an excess of protein in my post workout meal (whole foods at dinner) to induce gluconeogenesis that would replenish glycogen stores instead of using carbs to replenish glycogen stores?
November 14, 2014 at 5:10 pm #226549
Richard SchmittModeratorThey won't necessarily refill glycogen stores like carbs would, it just behaves like it. You'll get the excess insulin spike again, which if you're on CNS and ULC, there really isn't a need to do that unless it's the PWO Shake, not meal. Replenishing glycogen stores on CNS defeats the purpose of being ULC, again unless it's on a CN.
November 14, 2014 at 5:14 pm #226550
Adam HaysParticipantya. I want to use excess protein/ gluconeogenesis at dinner post workout to replenish glycogen stores for CBL instead of using carbs
November 14, 2014 at 5:16 pm #226551
Trevor G FullbrightModeratorYou will mostly get liver glycogen from glucoseneogenisis, it's a very inefficient process so it's hard to get a lot of glycogen from it.
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