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September 15, 2012 at 5:52 pm #81910
Craig jonesParticipantI don't know if anyone has said this yet but train weak points first. e.g. For some reason Kia Greene thinks he has poor fore arms so he trains them before biceps.Hope it helpsCraig
September 15, 2012 at 6:02 pm #81911
Cory McCarthyMemberI don't know if anyone has said this yet but train weak points first. e.g. For some reason Kia Greene thinks he has poor fore arms so he trains them before biceps.Hope it helpsCraig
+1My Brachialis and Brachioradialis are far from weak, but I wanted to exaggerate them... so I put Hammer Curls before other Bi exercises for a while, and did Reverse Curls on Back day, and sure enough... my Brachs blew the hell up.Solid advice, Craggy.Cory
September 15, 2012 at 6:11 pm #81912
Craig jonesParticipantCheers Cory, can't take the credit for that one. Arnolds body building encyclopaedia lolBut goes to show people have been using that technique for years. Keep it simple.
September 15, 2012 at 7:22 pm #81913
Cory McCarthyMemberCheers Cory, can't take the credit for that one. Arnolds body building encyclopaedia lolBut goes to show people have been using that technique for years. Keep it simple.
+1 for the mere mention of Arnold! The fuckin' king!Cory
September 15, 2012 at 7:25 pm #81914
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September 15, 2012 at 7:53 pm #81915
FairyGuestI heard you work your full shoulder much better when you use full range of motion with a single arm press (using dumbbells or kettle bells)
September 15, 2012 at 8:14 pm #81916
David MargittaiParticipantI heard you work your full shoulder much better when you use full range of motion with a single arm press (using dumbbells or kettle bells)
I personally love using DBs for shoulder work. It's true that you can use a lot more weight with a bar, but I have always found that my shoulders respond significantly better to burning the crap out of them with lighter/moderate weight (much like the Meadows stuff posted earlier).
September 15, 2012 at 8:28 pm #81917
guitarjonParticipantI heard you work your full shoulder much better when you use full range of motion with a single arm press (using dumbbells or kettle bells)
I personally love using DBs for shoulder work. It's true that you can use a lot more weight with a bar, but I have always found that my shoulders respond significantly better to burning the crap out of them with lighter/moderate weight (much like the Meadows stuff posted earlier).
I like to change it up by switching between dumbells and a barbell regularly. I can get get my shoulders burning pretty well either way, but I feel like I'm engaging my body more effectively with a standing barbell military press. I like using the dumbells in a seated position for presses. I'm very strict with form and I think shoulder exercises are some of the more difficult lifts to establish good form with.
September 15, 2012 at 11:16 pm #81918
Brandon D ChristParticipantI heard you work your full shoulder much better when you use full range of motion with a single arm press (using dumbbells or kettle bells)
I know Dorian Yates actually thinks that a limited range of movement on dumbell presses are better for shoulders. His logic is that the top of the movement is mostly triceps so going through the full range of movement is a waste of effort. He has a point, but I am personally advocate full range of movement as well.
September 15, 2012 at 11:38 pm #81919
FairyGuestYep, guess it depends on your aim. My primary aim is always health, secondary performance, tertiary aesthetics
September 16, 2012 at 1:57 am #81920
Cory McCarthyMemberI heard you work your full shoulder much better when you use full range of motion with a single arm press (using dumbbells or kettle bells)
You'll hit more stabilizers with DB's or KB's. Frankly, I am a big fan of standing Military Presses in the Squat rack. Full body involvement, heavy as hell.Cory
September 16, 2012 at 5:59 am #81921
Cory McCarthyMemberI heard you work your full shoulder much better when you use full range of motion with a single arm press (using dumbbells or kettle bells)
I know Dorian Yates actually thinks that a limited range of movement on dumbell presses are better for shoulders. His logic is that the top of the movement is mostly triceps so going through the full range of movement is a waste of effort. He has a point, but I am personally advocate full range of movement as well.
I am inclined to agree with anything Mr. Yates believes. He is well researched, and a 6 time consecutive Mr. Olympia! Not to mention, "Blood & Guts" is an incredible program... even for a natural lifter to run. I ran B&G once, and put 1/2 inch on my upper arms in 4 weeks! This was after a stretch of volume training... so it was a great shock program.That said, Dorian's injuries were also notorious. His triceps were hanging by a thread in his final Mr. Olympia, but like a true warrior, he posed down anyway... and won!Jay Cutler is also a believer in truncated ROM, for the purposes of constant tension. This is especially noticeable in his videos when he is practically pistoning on a Bench Press Machine... but only through the middle of the motion. No lock out, no momentary rest.Cory
September 16, 2012 at 10:55 am #81922
FairyGuestHow can your triceps hang by a thread . . . ? Were his tendons literally torn?
September 16, 2012 at 2:46 pm #81923
Cory McCarthyMemberHow can your triceps hang by a thread . . . ? Were his tendons literally torn?
Yates tore his left Triceps. A full-blown tear, with his Triceps tendon torn 3/4 of the way off the bone. It was described as "literally hanging off the bone". He had been doing a Pullover & Press for his Triceps, when he "felt something go 'bang' in his left elbow." He said the pain was more agonizing then when he had torn his biceps.He still competed, and won the Olympia, but the next day his upper arm had ballooned in size, and his Triceps were "distorted". That was his last Olympia. He did some soul-searching, and announced his retirement from competition.To this day, the aftermath of his accumulated injuries is so devestating, that he is limited in how he can train, what exercises he can do, and how heavy he can go.Cory
September 16, 2012 at 4:24 pm #81924
FairyGuestOuch. Do you think that was worth it?
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